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Hello, i again need help on putting in a tuplet, never seem to get it right
get a little bit frustrated trying now for more than an hour

the measure is common time (4/4)
so 4 tuplets of 3 eights in a quarter should be possible i think (or am i using the wrong tuplet definition?)
Unfortunately i can't get the last one in.

for each tuplet i type in first note choose tuplet definition 3 eights in a quarter and then complete each one
only the last one won't let me give in the 3rd eight note

when i give in a 16th an go on to the next measure automatically the 32nd rest is put in to fill the measure so it seems there's no room for an eight note.

what on earth am i doing wrong????

this type of measure needs to be done several times in the part

thanks in advance for your help

thanks done, solved

I don't understand the problem. Your picture, with the 32nd rest at the end, is incorrect. It should be a 16th rest.

Set your default tuplet to 3 eighths in the space of 2 eighths. No need to turn off Check for Extra Notes.

Ron,
That may be so when you click the notes in with the mouse, which I know is your method. However, entering them from the QWERTY keyboard works the way I have described, on any beat. And, without turning that setting, off.

I'm confused by the 16th note beginning on beat 4. How did that get there? Perhaps ciland is using the separate Tuplet tool, which works, but is slow. It's worth learning the inline Simple way, I think. Entering the first note of the triplet and then invoking Alt-9 should not require turning off "check for extra notes," even with the mouse.

I find "check for extra notes" a godsend for finding mistakes. The only time I need to turn it off is for entering grace notes at the end of the measure, never for triplets.

It may be just another triplet, 16th, 8th, 8th, 16th (rest) in the space of 2 - 8ths.

Or, it may have been an error on the part of the OP. If he would chime back in, it would be helpful.

And, if you are willing to grab the mouse, you can enter a grace note at the end of a measure without turning off the setting, as well. Select the note AND the grace note icons in the simple palette, and click it in!

There's no way to turn on grace notes from the keyboard? I use Speedy Entry, though, so that would be disruptive for me regardless. I've programmed a key on my MIDI keyboard to toggle both check for extra notes and jump to next measure, so it's not too bad.

Such a triplet (16th 8th 8th 16th) would unusual but I guess it's possible

Turning off "check for extra notes" is never required if using Simple and 9 (ALT-9 to set up tuplet) while entering notes in-line, QWERTY keyboard method or mouse entry. Nor is it needed using Speedy and CTRL-n for tuplets and the NUMPAD to enter notes. I don't use a MIDI keyboard for entry, so I cannot address that method. Turning off "check for extra notes" is needed for the last beat of a measure if you are entering tuplets using the Tuplet Tool to change an already entered note into a tuplet. We all know Ron uses this method, and does not want to be bothered with learning the much easier tuplet shortcuts ALT-9, etc.

Whatever works for you is good, I always say. You might find the triplet icon in the Simple Entry palette useful, though, if you ever want the checking for extra notes. That doesn't require memorizing a key sequence.

Motet,
You can toggle grace notes on or off before entry in Simple with Alt-G, or, turn an already-entered (selected) note to a grace note with the same command. If you have CFEX unchecked, you can enter that last note with the mouse, overfilling the measure, and turn it to a grace note.

But how do you do that without the mouse? I don't understand how that works. Why doesn't the carat just jump to the next measure after the correct number of entries?

Looks like you can't, alas.

OK, thanks. I thought I might be missing something!

Some experimenting suggests that the triplet icon in the Simple Entry palette will use what ever's defined as the default tuplet, and even lets you enter a quarter+eight triplet at the end of the measure if 3 eighths in the space of 2 is the default. But is there some way of changing that default without resorting to Alt-9?

Once a tuplet is entered, you can right-click on the tuplet number, and select Edit Tuplet Definition. The next box lets you change the definition, and save it as default.

Doesn't seem quite good enough for Ron's purposes. If' you've got three quarters in the space of two defined and you want to enter an ordinary eighth-note triplet on beat 4, you're SOL, sounds like.

I think we might be talking about 2 different things. With the Tuplet Tool, Save as Default refers to everything but the number of notes in place of number of notes.

Zuill

What? Save as default means exactly that.

If I set up a default as 3x in the space of 2x, that's what I get, until I change it.

That is a Simple Entry Tuplet Tool feature, not the Tuplet Tool window feature.

Zuill

P.S.: Run a test. Set up 3 halves in place of 2 with the Tuplet tool. Then go to Simple Entry and select a note and press alt-9. See if that value shows up.

Next time I'm at the computer, I'll do that. Although, if you say it's so, I'm sure that it is.

But since that isn't my workflow, I guess I never noticed.

Gents, I need to go back to this line of inquiry.

I have a score with many, many quarter note/eighth note pairings that need to be tupletized (is that a word?) wherein 3 eighth notes are made a tuplet in the space of 1 quarter note.

Is there a way to set the default rhythmic value of a simple entry tuplet to the above?

As we all likely know, the Set Default button in the Tuplet Definition dialog does not pick up the values to the left and right of "In The Space Of" -- sure wish it did, don't quite understand why it doesn't

Cheers

As we all likely know, the Set Default button in the Tuplet Definition dialog does not pick up the values to the left and right of "In The Space Of" -- sure wish it did, don't quite understand why it doesn't

I hate to say it, but this time, it’s user error. Or at least, misunderstanding.

Set your default tuplet to 3 eighths in the space of two eighths. NOT three eighths in the space of one quarter. NOT Use Current Value.

Enter the first note of your tuplet. Tap numberpad 9. This will return you to the score, where you can change the duration and enter the last note(s) of the triplet.

This will work for eighth-eighth-eighth, eighth-quarter, or quarter-eighth, even at the end of a measure.

onehunkytenor,

If you are willing to try the Speedy Entry Tool instead of the Simple Entry Tool, then try this sequence:

CTRL-1 (opens the Tuplet Definition which defaults to 3 Eighths in the space of 2 Eighths)     *)
Return - or Enter (OK!)
5 (enters the Quarter)
4 (enters the Eighth)

I could be wrong, but I do not think that there is a faster way.

*) For Mac Finale users it is Option-1.

Peter, I'd call it a draw on input! But whatever the user chooses is fine with me.

miker wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:45 am

I hate to say it, but this time, it’s user error. Or at least, misunderstanding.

If it's a misunderstanding or user error, then do please help me to understand or avoid the error! I thought I mentioned it originally, but looks like I didn't... Simple Entry is the goal.

miker wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:45 am

Set your default tuplet to 3 eighths in the space of two eighths. NOT three eighths in the space of one quarter. NOT Use Current Value.

How? I have looked high and low and cannot find a way to make this work in Simple Entry. Changes to the values to the left and right of "In The Space Of" in the Tuplet Definition dialog just do NOT stick. Also, and as an unimportant aside, as 3 eighths in the space of two eighths and 3 eighths in the space of one quarter are the same thing, why would this difference matter?

miker wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:45 am

Enter the first note of your tuplet. Tap numberpad 9. This will return you to the score, where you can change the duration and enter the last note(s) of the triplet.

Is this not for Speedy Entry? I believe I need this to work for Simple Entry These notes are already in-score and on-screen. I am not entering new notes... I need to change existing notes into tuplets.

Thanks!

Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:19 am

onehunkytenor,

If you are willing to try the Speedy Entry Tool instead of the Simple Entry Tool, then try this sequence:

CTRL-1 (opens the Tuplet Definition which defaults to 3 Eighths in the space of 2 Eighths)     *)
Return - or Enter (OK!)
5 (enters the Quarter)
4 (enters the Eighth)

I could be wrong, but I do not think that there is a faster way.

*) For Mac Finale users it is Option-1.

Alas, I think I need Simple Entry as the notes are already on-screen and in-score. Please correct me if it's obvious that I misunderstand a concept or am exhibiting signs of user error!