Finale export issue

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Post by Daf57 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:01 pm

Hi,

New user and a little confused about an export. I notated an 11/8 riff in finale, then exported as a mid file. I then dragged and dropped into a track in Reaper - the Reaper project is in 11/8 - the midi file should have fit right in but it's coming up one beat short. I must have don't something something wrong in Finale - I've dropped other 11/8 midi loops into the Reaper project and they fit fine. I don't have enough experience to troubleshoot this any further so looking for some help here. :)

Please see attachments for example of the issue.

Thank you!
Daf


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Post by Bill Stevens » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:29 pm

I'm out of my element with Reaper or MIDI export, but what happens if you put something in the next measure, even a rest.

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Post by Daf57 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:43 am

Hi BIll - thanks for the reply. Well, there is a rest in the next measure - not mathematically correct tho. I will try filling out the next measure and see if that evens out the previous.

Thanks
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Post by Daf57 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:31 pm

I tried exporting as a wav and it's still coming up 1 beat short. :?

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Post by N Grossingink » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:41 pm

Try setting up a compound time signature - 2+3+3+3/8, set to display as 11/8.

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Post by HaraldS » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:04 pm

You could post the original Finale file (e.g. a shortened version to show the issue), the exported MIDI file and the exported audio file here for further investigation. E.G. in a MIDI file, there's a reference to a time signature and it would be interesting, if that's already faulty or correct. Could be a way to narrow down the error to some extent.
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Post by Daf57 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:21 pm

Thanks for the replies!

N - I did try the compound signature - got the same results.

Harald - I've attached the files - thanks!

Daf

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Post by Bill Stevens » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:27 pm

I can't see any problem in the Finale file that would cause that problem. What happens if you change the quarter rest at the end of the measure to two 8th rests?

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Post by Daf57 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:59 pm

I did try the 2 8ths and it was the same result.

Well it seems that Finale may have an issue with exporting rests when at the end of the last measure. Not a huge deal, I can work around it. Just thought maybe I was doing something wrong. I've sent a support request to Make Music as well - maybe they weren't aware of this.

Thanks everyone!
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Post by zuill » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:32 pm

Did you try MIDI file Type 1 and Type 0? Also, did you try copying to the MIDI clipboard and pasting into Reaper. I don't know that it's an option.

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Post by FwL » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:56 am

MIDI doesn't deal with silence. It only deals with note on and note off data or event data over time. That rest on the end doesn't exist as far as a MIDI file is concerned. The last information required was the final eighth note before the quarter rest. If you put a note in the next measure, then there would be data as to when that next note occurs, but nothing that indicates a rest except lack of data.
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Post by Daf57 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:30 am

That makes sense FwL - I have midi drum loops where the loop ends with a rest. This made me think it should be the same with the Finale export.

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Post by HaraldS » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:54 am

Daf57 wrote:Harald - I've attached the files - thanks!
I only see a .musx file, but no MIDI or audio file. My suggestion was to post all of these for comparison.

MIDI file format 0 or 1 shouldn't make a difference, their only difference is whether the channels get mixed to a single track or if each channel gets a seperate track. That shouldn't affect time signature or any other rhythmic information like the delta times.
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Post by Daf57 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:57 pm

HI Harald - well I thought I did post the other files. :oops: Here is the midi file.

Edit - I guess the forum is not allowing the file to be uploaded. :? Ah I see now this message when I try to upload "The extension mid is not allowed."

Here is the file on my server http://www.dreamscraps.com/elevenhates.mid

Thanks!

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Post by FwL » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:09 pm

Daf57 wrote:That makes sense FwL - I have midi drum loops where the loop ends with a rest. This made me think it should be the same with the Finale export.

Thanks!

Can you post one of those loops as well? I'm guessing they're using a trick to keep them a certain length.
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