double whole note

General notation questions, including advanced notation, formatting, etc., go here.

Moderators: Peter Thomsen, miker

Post Reply
rjawad1
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:17 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1
Operating System: Mac

Post by rjawad1 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:42 am

I have two questions about the double whole note.
1. Finale uses a modern version of the double whole note. Is there a way to change it to the old square notation? See attached.

2. With two voices (layers), the double whole note doesn't line up very good with the other notes (see attached). What is the best way to fix this?

Thank you.
v27.4.1, mac


User avatar
Peter Thomsen
Posts: 6602
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
Finale Version: Finale v27.4
Operating System: Mac

Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:28 am

rjawad1 wrote:… 1. Finale uses a modern version of the double whole note. Is there a way to change it to the old square notation? See attached …
Document menu > Document Options > Notes & Rests > Notehead Characters > Double Whole
Click the button “Select…”, and choose character #221.

By The Way:
The square notehead in your attached graphic does not look like the Maestro font, but rather like the Fravura font, or the November font.
You can choose a specific font for noteheads:
Document menu > Document Options > Fonts > Notation > Noteheads > Set Font…

rjawad1 wrote:… 2. With two voices (layers), the double whole note doesn't line up very good with the other notes (see attached). What is the best way to fix this? …
I would use the (very technical) Speedy Entry dialog box Edit Frame:
Speedy Entry Tool.
Click outside the staff, to exit the Speedy rectangle.
Hold down the Option key (the alt key), and click inside the staff.
To me it looks about right if the Double Whole note gets a Position of -1pt.
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996

rjawad1
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:17 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1
Operating System: Mac

Post by rjawad1 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:39 am

Thanks, Peter. I appreciate it!
v27.4.1, mac

rjawad1
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:17 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1
Operating System: Mac

Post by rjawad1 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:49 am

On changing the position, do I have to do it for every instance or is there a way to move all the double whole notes back? While in speedy entry, I did option+click on the note I wanted to change.

I tried -1pt, but it moves it way over to the previous measure. I'll try something smaller.
v27.4.1, mac

User avatar
Peter Thomsen
Posts: 6602
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
Finale Version: Finale v27.4
Operating System: Mac

Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:14 am

rjawad1 wrote:On changing the position, do I have to do it for every instance or is there a way to move all the double whole notes back? While in speedy entry, I did option+click on the note I wanted to change …
I do not know of a way to move all the Double Whole notes “at one fell swoop”, sorry!

But perhaps there is a (third party) Finale plug-in that can do it.
Do you know Jari Williamson’s plug-ins?
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996

User avatar
FwL
Posts: 86
Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:53 pm
Finale Version: 2010, 25.5
Operating System: Windows

Post by FwL » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:16 am

In Speedy Entry you can also just grab the note with the mouse and move it where you want it.
A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules... often with the aid of unsuspecting musicians - Frank Zappa

Vaughan
Posts: 267
Joined: Wed May 12, 2010 2:50 pm
Finale Version: Finale 25
Operating System: Mac

Post by Vaughan » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:53 pm

The full version of TGTools has a plugin for just this. It's called Shift, it's under Modify and I've used it often for this very purpose. BTW, this plugin shifts not only notes but glissandi, accidentals, can change accidental widths and it can fine-tune the distance of accidentals on sixth intervals (which Finale usually doesn't get right). In the section concerning notes, you can, among other things, shift whole notes, double whole notes and unslashed or slashed grace notes. Highly recommended, as are his other plugins!
Vaughan

Finale 3.2 - 26, Sibelius 4 - 7, Dorico 2.2
Tobias Giesen's plugins, full version, Robert Patterson plugins, Jari's plugins
MacOS 10.14.2
MacPro (2016) 16 GB, MacBookPro (2018) 16 GB

Amsterdam

rjawad1
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:17 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1
Operating System: Mac

Post by rjawad1 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:47 am

Thanks everyone. I will try this plugin out.
v27.4.1, mac

BuonTempi
Posts: 1297
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:59 am
Finale Version: Finale 27
Operating System: Mac

Post by BuonTempi » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:20 am

If you're writing lots of music with breves, I would avoid using Maestro. The standard breve's 'sidelines' are far too tall (it looks like a TIE Fighter!), and the rectangular version is ... very rectangular. Engraver is better; November better still.

Also, if you're doing an organ part with a chord, don't stack the notes in quite the same way: do something like this:
Screen Shot 9.png
Screen Shot 10.png

rjawad1
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:17 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1
Operating System: Mac

Post by rjawad1 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:30 pm

I see Engraver Font Set, but I don't see November. Do I need to install some sort of add-on?
v27.4.1, mac

BuonTempi
Posts: 1297
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:59 am
Finale Version: Finale 27
Operating System: Mac

Post by BuonTempi » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:35 pm

Yes, November is a third-party purchase font. It's highly recommended, both for 'traditional' engraving symbols, and for historical symbols and forms.

http://www.klemm-music.de/notation/nove ... /index.php

There are other third-party music fonts which may suit your work.

https://www.musictypefoundry.com

User avatar
Peter Thomsen
Posts: 6602
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
Finale Version: Finale v27.4
Operating System: Mac

Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:53 pm

If you are interested in music fonts, take a good look at Jan Angermüller’s web site Elbsound.studio:

Among other things there is a web page that lets you compare music fonts:
https://elbsound.studio/music-font-comparison.php

Also, there is a web page with a list of more than 1 300 music fonts:
https://elbsound.studio/music-fonts.php
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996

rjawad1
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:17 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1
Operating System: Mac

Post by rjawad1 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:14 am

Nice, thank you. I will take a look at these.
v27.4.1, mac

Post Reply