augmented unison
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How can I input an augmented unison? I need e and e flat. e flat is in the key signature. What I tried was putting the e flat, then putting f above and pressing the down arrow, then changing to natural. However, I get this, which is no good.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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- Peter Thomsen
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I am confused.
Your attached screen shot shows an augmented unison.
Did you perhaps attach the wrong screen shot?
What is the problem?
Your attached screen shot shows an augmented unison.
Did you perhaps attach the wrong screen shot?
What is the problem?
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996
An augmented unison is usually not the same as a minor second at all and you can't substitute it for an enharmonic equivalent any more than you can replace all instances of a G# for an Ab in a piece. You can use the Special Tools and create your own split stem, after which you can move the noteheads manually to align them with the split ends.
Here's an example from an arrangement by Zadora of Chopin's 'Minute Waltz'. You'll see why you can't substitute an enharmonic equivalent.
Here's an example from an arrangement by Zadora of Chopin's 'Minute Waltz'. You'll see why you can't substitute an enharmonic equivalent.
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Well, actually I Don't!
But I'm just a Clarinet/Sax Player, so I never encounter that sort of thing.
My Composing and Arranging don't include writing for or Engraving
Piano Music.
I just needed to get the "Diad" Thing off my chest...
I'll be quiet now.
But I'm just a Clarinet/Sax Player, so I never encounter that sort of thing.
My Composing and Arranging don't include writing for or Engraving
Piano Music.
I just needed to get the "Diad" Thing off my chest...
I'll be quiet now.
That joke has been told about oboists:
Q. 'What's the definition of a minor second?'
A. 'Two oboists trying to play in unison.'
Q. 'What's the definition of a major second?'
A. 'Two baroque oboists trying to play in unison.'
Q. 'What's the definition of a minor second?'
A. 'Two oboists trying to play in unison.'
Q. 'What's the definition of a major second?'
A. 'Two baroque oboists trying to play in unison.'
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With sopranos you get augminished and demented intervals...
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I guess I have to make my own stem? I tried doing that, and it ended up looking like an etch-a-sketch drawing by a 2nd grader.
I then tried taking a pre-made v and adding a stem. But the stem is too thick.
How do you change the thickness of the line? Or am I going about this the wrong way?
I then tried taking a pre-made v and adding a stem. But the stem is too thick.
How do you change the thickness of the line? Or am I going about this the wrong way?
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- zuill
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What kind of line are you using? Smart Shape Line? You can make it exactly the same thickness as the stems.
Zuill
Zuill
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"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Good jokes
I've got one:
What's the definition of a Triad?
It's a Chord with the 6th left out.
BTW, in the Gershwin example, that's either a D7+9 or Ab13. ( No Bass Note showing ).
So it's really either E#/F#, or F/Gb.
I know the spelling in the example is common,
but to me it's not an Augmented Unison, it's a Minor Second.
Over and Out!
I've got one:
What's the definition of a Triad?
It's a Chord with the 6th left out.
BTW, in the Gershwin example, that's either a D7+9 or Ab13. ( No Bass Note showing ).
So it's really either E#/F#, or F/Gb.
I know the spelling in the example is common,
but to me it's not an Augmented Unison, it's a Minor Second.
Over and Out!
After trying several things, I think I'm just going to go with two layers. I'd like to put the flat after the note because I think it looks better, but I'm worried this notation is already taken. Does anyone know if an accidental after the note is already in use? Quarter-tone music, or something?
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Nice joke!oldmkvi wrote:Good jokes
I've got one:
What's the definition of a Triad?
It's a Chord with the 6th left out.
BTW, in the Gershwin example, that's either a D7+9 or Ab13. ( No Bass Note showing ).
So it's really either E#/F#, or F/Gb.
I know the spelling in the example is common,
but to me it's not an Augmented Unison, it's a Minor Second.
Over and Out!
Maybe that's a difference between the 'jazz/pop' and the 'classical' way of dealing with chords. The jazz/pop way spells the chord kind of 'as it comes' without attention to the function of the notes. The classical way takes into account where the notes are going in that particular key. In the Rhapsody in Blue example the F#, as the third of a dominant chord, is going to a G, whereas the F is descending to an E-flat (could also have been an E-natural) and it therefore wouldn't make sense to spell it as an E#. It's a little like the difference between 'there', 'their' and 'they're'. You could argue that they're all pronounced the same so what difference does it make, but you could also argue that their meanings are different and so require different spellings.
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I really wouldn't put the flat after the note, especially since the two layers have different note values. Musicians who are used to reading polyphony shouldn't have any problem seeing offset notes which need to be played simultaneously.rjawad1 wrote:After trying several things, I think I'm just going to go with two layers. I'd like to put the flat after the note because I think it looks better, but I'm worried this notation is already taken. Does anyone know if an accidental after the note is already in use? Quarter-tone music, or something?
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