Change a score from 4/4 to 2/2.

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Post by John335 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:35 am

Is there an easier way to convert a score from 4/4 to 2/2. I've tried a variety of ways but to no avail other than doing everything from scratch. I'm thinking that there should be an easier way with all the plugins available.

Thanks,
John


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Post by motet » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:46 am

Do you want the result to be A or B?

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Post by John335 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:31 am

A

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Post by motet » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:38 am

Other than changing the time signature, what would you like done?

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Post by John335 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:06 am

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The note values are going to have to be changed as well as a rebar. I was thinking there would be a simple way to do this. I've changed the tempo mark but I haven't figured how to change the note values and a rebar of the music in a simple way if there is one. I want to do this because the tune has a "2" pulse.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:46 pm

John335 wrote:A
A is the version where the note values are not changed.

(B is the version where the note values have been doubled)
John335 wrote:The note values are going to have to be changed …
John335,

Can you understand why I am confused?
Should the note values remain the same (= A), or should the note values be doubled (= B)?

I think we need a little more explanation from you.
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Post by N Grossingink » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:25 pm

If this is a jazz chart, I'd keep it in 4/4 and indicate the tempo head as something like "Straight Ahead Swing - 2 feel (half=120)". Also, I'd change the dotted eighth/sixteenth to 2 eighths. In 35 years of copying/engraving jazz charts, I've never seen one in cut time.

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Post by John335 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:21 am

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That's what I need done. The whole score needs to be changed in that way.

Thanks,
John

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:51 am

I think that the following steps will get the work done - but after step 2) I would proofread the “timing” of the chord symbols:

1) Selection Tool.
Select All.
Plug-ins menu > Note, Beam, and Rest Editing > Change to Real Whole Rests
You will not see any change in the layout, but this first step is important.

2) Time Signature Tool.
Select All.
double-click the first measure.
Select Rebar Music.
Change the time signature to 2/4.

At this point it might be a good idea to check the “timing” of the chord symbols - are they all on the correct beat?

3) Time Signature Tool.
Select All.
double-click the first measure.
Do not select Rebar Music.
Change the time signature to 2/2.

At this point the layout will awful.

4) Selection Tool.
Select All.
Utilities menu > Change > Note Durations…
Select “Include Tuplets”.
(No need to select Rebar Music)
Change all note durations by 200 %.

OK!

That is it.

After this you might like to select all, and run the plug-in Change to Default Whole Rests.
The layout will not change - this step is just the reverse of step 1).
After you have changed back to default Whole Rests, you can create multimeasure rests in the linked parts.
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Post by John335 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:45 pm

Thanks, that worked really nice but the chords are out of place, and I did fix them like you suggested earlier in the process. Is there anything I can do about that other than manually fix them again?

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:00 pm

John335 wrote:… the chords are out of place, and I did fix them like you suggested earlier in the process. Is there anything I can do about that other than manually fix them again?
Not that I know of.

Perhaps there is a third party plug-in that can do the job - and also position the chord symbols correctly (?)
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Post by zuill » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:59 pm

Tis is not as complicated as it seems.

1. With Jari's JW Meter and Rhythm plugin, double 4/4 to 8/4.

2. Change the meter to 2/2, allowing rebar.

3. Retranscribe

The last step is to get the tied quarter and eighth back to dotted quarter. Retranscribe loses some markings (articulations and maybe expressions). A bit of redo there. But chords stay put theis way. An no need to do anything with default whole rests.

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Post by BuonTempi » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:37 am

zuill wrote:Retranscribe loses some markings (articulations and maybe expressions). A bit of redo there.
To avoid losing elements like lyrics, articulations, etc when you Retranscribe:

1. Copy the entire passage.
2. Retranscribe.
3. Paste back the passage, using the Edit Filter to de-select Notes and Rests.

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