Change a score from 4/4 to 2/2.
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Is there an easier way to convert a score from 4/4 to 2/2. I've tried a variety of ways but to no avail other than doing everything from scratch. I'm thinking that there should be an easier way with all the plugins available.
Thanks,
John
Thanks,
John
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The note values are going to have to be changed as well as a rebar. I was thinking there would be a simple way to do this. I've changed the tempo mark but I haven't figured how to change the note values and a rebar of the music in a simple way if there is one. I want to do this because the tune has a "2" pulse.
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A is the version where the note values are not changed.John335 wrote:A
(B is the version where the note values have been doubled)
John335,John335 wrote:The note values are going to have to be changed …
Can you understand why I am confused?
Should the note values remain the same (= A), or should the note values be doubled (= B)?
I think we need a little more explanation from you.
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If this is a jazz chart, I'd keep it in 4/4 and indicate the tempo head as something like "Straight Ahead Swing - 2 feel (half=120)". Also, I'd change the dotted eighth/sixteenth to 2 eighths. In 35 years of copying/engraving jazz charts, I've never seen one in cut time.
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I think that the following steps will get the work done - but after step 2) I would proofread the “timing” of the chord symbols:
1) Selection Tool.
Select All.
Plug-ins menu > Note, Beam, and Rest Editing > Change to Real Whole Rests
You will not see any change in the layout, but this first step is important.
2) Time Signature Tool.
Select All.
double-click the first measure.
Select Rebar Music.
Change the time signature to 2/4.
At this point it might be a good idea to check the “timing” of the chord symbols - are they all on the correct beat?
3) Time Signature Tool.
Select All.
double-click the first measure.
Do not select Rebar Music.
Change the time signature to 2/2.
At this point the layout will awful.
4) Selection Tool.
Select All.
Utilities menu > Change > Note Durations…
Select “Include Tuplets”.
(No need to select Rebar Music)
Change all note durations by 200 %.
OK!
That is it.
After this you might like to select all, and run the plug-in Change to Default Whole Rests.
The layout will not change - this step is just the reverse of step 1).
After you have changed back to default Whole Rests, you can create multimeasure rests in the linked parts.
1) Selection Tool.
Select All.
Plug-ins menu > Note, Beam, and Rest Editing > Change to Real Whole Rests
You will not see any change in the layout, but this first step is important.
2) Time Signature Tool.
Select All.
double-click the first measure.
Select Rebar Music.
Change the time signature to 2/4.
At this point it might be a good idea to check the “timing” of the chord symbols - are they all on the correct beat?
3) Time Signature Tool.
Select All.
double-click the first measure.
Do not select Rebar Music.
Change the time signature to 2/2.
At this point the layout will awful.
4) Selection Tool.
Select All.
Utilities menu > Change > Note Durations…
Select “Include Tuplets”.
(No need to select Rebar Music)
Change all note durations by 200 %.
OK!
That is it.
After this you might like to select all, and run the plug-in Change to Default Whole Rests.
The layout will not change - this step is just the reverse of step 1).
After you have changed back to default Whole Rests, you can create multimeasure rests in the linked parts.
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Thanks, that worked really nice but the chords are out of place, and I did fix them like you suggested earlier in the process. Is there anything I can do about that other than manually fix them again?
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Not that I know of.John335 wrote:… the chords are out of place, and I did fix them like you suggested earlier in the process. Is there anything I can do about that other than manually fix them again?
Perhaps there is a third party plug-in that can do the job - and also position the chord symbols correctly (?)
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Tis is not as complicated as it seems.
1. With Jari's JW Meter and Rhythm plugin, double 4/4 to 8/4.
2. Change the meter to 2/2, allowing rebar.
3. Retranscribe
The last step is to get the tied quarter and eighth back to dotted quarter. Retranscribe loses some markings (articulations and maybe expressions). A bit of redo there. But chords stay put theis way. An no need to do anything with default whole rests.
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1. With Jari's JW Meter and Rhythm plugin, double 4/4 to 8/4.
2. Change the meter to 2/2, allowing rebar.
3. Retranscribe
The last step is to get the tied quarter and eighth back to dotted quarter. Retranscribe loses some markings (articulations and maybe expressions). A bit of redo there. But chords stay put theis way. An no need to do anything with default whole rests.
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To avoid losing elements like lyrics, articulations, etc when you Retranscribe:zuill wrote:Retranscribe loses some markings (articulations and maybe expressions). A bit of redo there.
1. Copy the entire passage.
2. Retranscribe.
3. Paste back the passage, using the Edit Filter to de-select Notes and Rests.