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Post by OCTO » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:11 pm

Is it possible to enter, by some simple means, 4.5/4 time signature, or 4½/4?
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Post by OCTO » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:29 pm

I have found out!
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The only thing I wonder, how to place the dot a bit lower?
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:00 pm

This subject has come up many times in the past.

Attached is an old discussion:
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Post by OCTO » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:14 pm

Thank you.
It is interesting with 6/7 - a bit more complex, I will read it throughout carefully.
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Post by Bill Stevens » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:31 pm

Octo,

When I have done this, I have set the time signature for whatever it needs to be with display set as 4/4 and then added the ½ as an expression. That works okay if it's just once, but if you have to do it many times then on to Plan B.

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Post by miker » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:39 pm

Maybe it’s just me, but what’s wrong with 9/8?
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Post by motet » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:57 am

Or (2+2+2+3)/8 (like Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo a la Turk).

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Post by OCTO » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:28 am

miker wrote:Maybe it’s just me, but what’s wrong with 9/8?
Because there are 4 beats, and one half (conducted quickly; not 3 compound, and not 3 + one compound)
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Post by OCTO » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:31 am

motet wrote:Or (2+2+2+3)/8 (like Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo a la Turk).
That are 3 + 1 beats, I would need 4 + 1. Also, thinking about having to many "+" affects music spacing to much. Than I would need to do TS another way.

But good I discovered you just type 4.5 and it works.
Even it works like 4.2 or 4.4. Interesting.
I didn't know that existed in Finale. That is why I am still here.
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Post by David Ward » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:59 am

How in Finale does one do 2+2/3 over 4 that is 2 full crotchet (1/4) beats plus an incomplete (2/3) triplet? The only alternative seems to be a ludicrously convoluted tempo equation that can't be sightread easily if at all, while the fractional beat is immediately understood and can be sightread by those who are sufficiently fluent at playing contemporary classical music.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:05 am

David Ward wrote:How in Finale does one do 2+2/3 over 4 that is 2 full crotchet (1/4) beats plus an incomplete (2/3) triplet? …
A solution with layout and playback is described in the PDF file I attached.

If you have questions, let me know.
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Post by David Ward » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:09 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote: A solution with layout and playback is described in the PDF file I attached.

If you have questions, let me know.
I can't find my manuscript but in this piece written in 1989 I originally had a time signature for the bar before H of 1 and 2/3 over 4 (I think!). I believe that would be quicker and easier to read than the tempo equation, but I'd be interested in the opinion of others.

As you say in the PDF, it's not easy to do in Finale but is possible (in this case playback can be bypassed, which might make it easier).
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:31 pm

1) The attached layout looks clear to me.
I do not have a problem with it.

2) However, the transition into measure 69 might be easier if the previous passage (ending with measure 68) were notated in 12/8.
In that way the “tempo equation” happens at an earlier measure, rather than at measure 69.

3) At the beginning of measure 70 I would add the “reverse” tempo equation, returning the 144 tempo to quarters.
To me a such tempo equation at measure 70 makes sense, since the music changes its “character” at measure 70.


4) A time signature of

1⅔
over
4

would work, too.
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Post by David Ward » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:35 pm

This is what I've decided to go for. The verbal directions ‘Faster’ and ‘in tempo’ were perhaps potentially unhelpful
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Post by elbsound » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:39 am

Octo, also have a look at this:
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and especially this:
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Post by OCTO » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:33 pm

elbsound wrote:Octo, also have a look at this:
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