TS 4.5/4
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- Peter Thomsen
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This subject has come up many times in the past.
Attached is an old discussion:
Attached is an old discussion:
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Octo,
When I have done this, I have set the time signature for whatever it needs to be with display set as 4/4 and then added the ½ as an expression. That works okay if it's just once, but if you have to do it many times then on to Plan B.
Bill
When I have done this, I have set the time signature for whatever it needs to be with display set as 4/4 and then added the ½ as an expression. That works okay if it's just once, but if you have to do it many times then on to Plan B.
Bill
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Because there are 4 beats, and one half (conducted quickly; not 3 compound, and not 3 + one compound)miker wrote:Maybe it’s just me, but what’s wrong with 9/8?
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That are 3 + 1 beats, I would need 4 + 1. Also, thinking about having to many "+" affects music spacing to much. Than I would need to do TS another way.motet wrote:Or (2+2+2+3)/8 (like Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo a la Turk).
But good I discovered you just type 4.5 and it works.
Even it works like 4.2 or 4.4. Interesting.
I didn't know that existed in Finale. That is why I am still here.
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How in Finale does one do 2+2/3 over 4 that is 2 full crotchet (1/4) beats plus an incomplete (2/3) triplet? The only alternative seems to be a ludicrously convoluted tempo equation that can't be sightread easily if at all, while the fractional beat is immediately understood and can be sightread by those who are sufficiently fluent at playing contemporary classical music.
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- Peter Thomsen
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A solution with layout and playback is described in the PDF file I attached.David Ward wrote:How in Finale does one do 2+2/3 over 4 that is 2 full crotchet (1/4) beats plus an incomplete (2/3) triplet? …
If you have questions, let me know.
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- David Ward
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I can't find my manuscript but in this piece written in 1989 I originally had a time signature for the bar before H of 1 and 2/3 over 4 (I think!). I believe that would be quicker and easier to read than the tempo equation, but I'd be interested in the opinion of others.Peter Thomsen wrote: A solution with layout and playback is described in the PDF file I attached.
If you have questions, let me know.
As you say in the PDF, it's not easy to do in Finale but is possible (in this case playback can be bypassed, which might make it easier).
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1) The attached layout looks clear to me.
I do not have a problem with it.
2) However, the transition into measure 69 might be easier if the previous passage (ending with measure 68) were notated in 12/8.
In that way the “tempo equation” happens at an earlier measure, rather than at measure 69.
3) At the beginning of measure 70 I would add the “reverse” tempo equation, returning the 144 tempo to quarters.
To me a such tempo equation at measure 70 makes sense, since the music changes its “character” at measure 70.
4) A time signature of
1⅔
over
4
would work, too.
I do not have a problem with it.
2) However, the transition into measure 69 might be easier if the previous passage (ending with measure 68) were notated in 12/8.
In that way the “tempo equation” happens at an earlier measure, rather than at measure 69.
3) At the beginning of measure 70 I would add the “reverse” tempo equation, returning the 144 tempo to quarters.
To me a such tempo equation at measure 70 makes sense, since the music changes its “character” at measure 70.
4) A time signature of
1⅔
over
4
would work, too.
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- David Ward
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This is what I've decided to go for. The verbal directions ‘Faster’ and ‘in tempo’ were perhaps potentially unhelpful
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Octo, also have a look at this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/finalep ... 345389025/
and especially this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ater&ifg=1
https://www.facebook.com/groups/finalep ... 345389025/
and especially this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ater&ifg=1