Why does the cross staff command delete the 32nd note beam?
Moderators: Peter Thomsen, miker
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:14 pm
- Finale Version: 25
- Operating System: Mac
Sorry to be asking two questions in quick succession, but I'm really curious as to why Finale does this.
So I've succeeded in decorating my quintuplets with some 32nd notes. But if I want to move the high notes to the upper staff, by hitting Alt + arrow up, Finale suppresses the beams for the 32nd notes, making it seem as if all the notes are 16ths (making 7 16ths to a quintuplet, instead of 3 16ths and 4 32nds). Why? And how to work around it?
So I've succeeded in decorating my quintuplets with some 32nd notes. But if I want to move the high notes to the upper staff, by hitting Alt + arrow up, Finale suppresses the beams for the 32nd notes, making it seem as if all the notes are 16ths (making 7 16ths to a quintuplet, instead of 3 16ths and 4 32nds). Why? And how to work around it?
Finale 25.5
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
- zuill
- Posts: 4418
- Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.3.1
- Operating System: Windows
When I do it in a test, I get all the beams. We might need to see your file to troubleshoot. I'm on Windows, so maybe Mac has a bug I'm not aware of.
Zuill
Zuill
Windows 10, Finale 2011-v26.3.1
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:14 pm
- Finale Version: 25
- Operating System: Mac
Thanks! I've made a minimal example for you. Where do I upload it to?zuill wrote:When I do it in a test, I get all the beams. We might need to see your file to troubleshoot. I'm on Windows, so maybe Mac has a bug I'm not aware of.
Zuill
Finale 25.5
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
- miker
- Posts: 5994
- Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:28 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 27.4
- Operating System: Mac
Works for me, on a Mac. As Zuill says, we may need to see your file. Or at least, a picture of what you're trying to do.
Use the Upload Attachment form, below the Post Reply screen.
Use the Upload Attachment form, below the Post Reply screen.
Finale 27 | SmartScorePro 64
Mac OS 13.2.1 Ventura
Copyist for Barbershop Harmony Society
Mac OS 13.2.1 Ventura
Copyist for Barbershop Harmony Society
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:14 pm
- Finale Version: 25
- Operating System: Mac
Oh, I forgot to mention that the outer tuplets (in a 3/4 measure) work fine, but it's the middle one that's abnormal.miker wrote:Works for me, on a Mac. As Zuill says, we may need to see your file. Or at least, a picture of what you're trying to do.
Use the Upload Attachment form, below the Post Reply screen.
Finale 25.5
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
- zuill
- Posts: 4418
- Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.3.1
- Operating System: Windows
The beams are there, but in the process of doing the cross staff (several steps to get the end result combined in the plugin you are using), the 32nd beams are now overlapping the 16th. Use Special Tools, Secondary Beam Angle Tool to drag them to where they need to be.
Zuill
Zuill
Windows 10, Finale 2011-v26.3.1
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:14 pm
- Finale Version: 25
- Operating System: Mac
That does the trick! Not my dreamed-of solution, especially since I now have to eyeball the spacing of the beams, but I'll fly with it. Anyway, many thanks! This forum rocks (in more ways than one, I would assume).zuill wrote:The beams are there, but in the process of doing the cross staff (several steps to get the end result combined in the plugin you are using), the 32nd beams are now overlapping the 16th. Use Special Tools, Secondary Beam Angle Tool to drag them to where they need to be.
Zuill
Finale 25.5
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
Mac OS X 10.13.6
iMac 27-inch, late 2009
2,66 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB RAM
- Peter Thomsen
- Posts: 6605
- Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
- Finale Version: Finale v27.4
- Operating System: Mac
A simpler solution:Divergent_Integral wrote:… Not my dreamed-of solution, especially since I now have to eyeball the spacing of the beams, but I'll fly with it …
In the note group in the middle of the measure (= the “problem group” with 16th, 32nd, 32nd, 16th, 32nd, 32nd, 16th),
just flip the stem direction.
To do so, hit the letter L key on the first note in the group (= ‘a’).
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996