"reverse" grupetto or turn

[HansBerkers]

Hello,
I know how to notate a grupetto. But what I need now is what I would call a "reverse grupetto".
The normal symbol for a grupetto (the musical ornament that consists of upper second, main note, lower second and then main note) looks like a capital S turned 90 degrees counterclockwise.
The reverse grupetto (used in older music) consists of the lower second, main note, upper second and then main note. It's symbol also looks like a turned capital S but now 90 degrees clockwise.
I can't figure out how to get this one without looking at other fonts.
I work in Finale 25.5 on a Mac

[Peter Thomsen]

You probably know that the reversed gruppetto symbol can be found in several other fonts.

… It's symbol also looks like a turned capital S but now 90 degrees clockwise …

Not “turned 90 degrees clockwise”, but rather flipped.
You can not get the desired symbol by rotating the glyph.
Instead the glyph must be flipped.

If I understand you correctly, you are using the Maestro font, right?

And you want to use a “Maestro font looking” version of the reversed gruppetto symbol, right?
You do not want to use another music font - because a character from another font will look different from the Maestro font characters, right?

To get the reversed gruppetto symbol, Maestro-style, you must use a horizontally flipped version of the Maestro font.
See the two attached font files.

The Mac version is MAESTRO_HFa.

MAESTRO_HFa.ttf.zip

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The Windows version is MAESTRO_HF.

MAESTRO_HF.ttf.zip

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This {Horizontally Flipped Maestro} font was done by Finale user Mark Wibrow.

Mark did not consider the font a copyright violation - but I suspect that Mark was wrong.
To “play it safe” I would consult MakeMusic before using the flipped font.

By The Way:
A horizontally flipped Maestro font is useful for many other layouts, like e. g. Bach’s retrograde canons.

[HansBerkers]

Hi Peter,
Indeed, the symbol I need is a flipped version of the original one.
You are assuming right: I use the Maestro font, I therefore want a "Maestro" looking font and not another set.
I will take a look at the attached file.
Thanks for your help.

[elbsound]

You could check this "hard-to-find" music symbol catalog.
It includes about 100 music fonts with the inverted turn symbol - some look exactly like or at least extremly similar to the Maestro symbol.
https://elbsound.studio/catalog-of-musi ... rninverted

Jan
https://elbsound.studio

[motet]

...The normal symbol for a grupetto (the musical ornament that consists of upper second, main note, lower second and then main note) looks like a capital S turned 90 degrees counterclockwise.
The reverse grupetto (used in older music) consists of the lower second, main note, upper second and then main note. It's symbol also looks like a turned capital S but now 90 degrees clockwise.

Just to be clear: the grupetto does not look like a 90-degree capital S, but rather a mirror-image S. The reverse grupetto you seek indeed looks like a rotated, unmirrored S (doesn't matter which direction).

If you don't want to use the perhaps-pirated reversed-Maestro font Peter attached, if you download the Sibelius demo you'll get the Opus Ornaments font, which has both grupetti.