Can't figure out why a multimeasure rest is breaking

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Post by Mister Bebop » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:08 pm

Hello again all you Finale whiz kids!

My problem du jour is that in a normal part (not an alternate notation part, just a normal part) I have three sections in a row where an eight-bar multimeasure rest ought to be appearing, but instead it is 6 bars then 2 bars. These eight bar phrases are between double bars, so that's not the culprit.

I have done everything I can think of and so far nothing has worked.

Everybody else is playing there except in this one part (the score is a total of 18 instruments, 19 staves with piano being a group of two staves).

What on earth could be causing this?

I'm using Finale v26 with Windows 10. Thanks in advance for all your help! I need it, that's for sure!


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Post by motet » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:57 pm

Could be a measure attribute, could be an expression. Attach your file and someone will figure it out.

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Post by motet » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:09 am

Also, make sure the measures are truly empty, with default rests and not actual, entered rests.

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Post by Mister Bebop » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:11 am

motet wrote:Could be a measure attribute, could be an expression. Attach your file and someone will figure it out.
So I went into the measure tool, highlighted all the measures that were previously uncooperative, made them all default barlines on the right and single left barlines and then voilà! They are now cooperating. You're a genius! Thanks so much!

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Post by motet » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:20 am

Ah, you did say there was a double bar--I missed that. That would do it!

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Post by Mister Bebop » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:37 am

Actually no, there were only double bars at the eighth measures of all three trouble spots. The mm rests were 6 / 2, three times in a row. I just changed all the bars to default bars and it worked. Beats me how, but that’s all it took.

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Post by motet » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:21 am

There's a measure attribute "break a multimeasure rest." Setting a barline to anything but normal selects that; setting it back to normal clears it.

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Post by Mister Bebop » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:03 pm

motet wrote:There's a measure attribute "break a multimeasure rest." Setting a barline to anything but normal selects that; setting it back to normal clears it.
Is there any way to prevent this in a default file? I've had several tunes arranged for big band and I'm getting the files from other people. Then I put them into my big band template/default file and was thinking that I had gradually gotten all the "bugs" out. It would be nice to know how to set the template so that this doesn't happen again. Maybe this "bug" came from the way they do their files?

Anyway, thanks so much, man, you really helped me get past some serious aggravation. And I thought I had tried everything! Well, I did, everything but ask for help, so thanks so much for coming through with the solution!

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Post by zuill » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:12 pm

You can have a double barline without it breaking a MM rest. You can set all the measures to have that Measure Attribute set to being unchecked. However, that is not generally desired. I would just do it manually as I go. It shouldn't be that much work if you know what to look for.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the request. I spend so much time looking inside Finale that there are few issues I don't at least look for the cause. Once the cause is known, fixing things is often easier.

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Post by elizabethjonasson » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Did Mr. Bebop ever figure out why Finale broke up the multi-measure rest? I am having the same issue. There are no time signature changes and the whole rests are all default. There are no double bar lines nearby.

Thank you,
Elizabeth

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Post by motet » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:26 pm

Check the measure attributes of the last measure before the break. If "Break a multimeasure rest" is checked, that's the culprit.

Key signature change (even an "invisible" one such as major to relative minor)? Any expressions in the first measure after the break?

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Post by mmike » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:12 pm

Excuse this totally off-topic (and hopefully not inappropriate or presumptious) reply, but .....
seeing an entry by Zuill, I wonder where he is? Long time no see on this forum and, although there are certainly many extremely capable (and patient) participants, I've learned a lot from him and his clear and knowledgeable input is missed ...
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Post by David Ward » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:25 pm

I think you'll find he still reads the forum regularly, but has chosen not to contribute (for now at least).
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Post by blueshift » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:26 pm

I've got the same issue - a split measure breaks the multimeasure rest. Finale takes the 4 bar and cuts it int two, 3:1.

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Post by motet » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:44 pm

I assume you mean the timpani. By putting the dotted half rest and quarter rest there, that will indeed break a multimeasure rest. But note that the Split Measure plug-in in really breaks the measure into two bars, so the measure count in B. Tbn. will be wrong anyway (1 more than what you want). What you're wanting to do is reasonable, but I don't think it's possible in Finale, and your best bet might be to avoid splitting the measure.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:55 pm

motet wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:44 pm
… the Split Measure plug-in in really breaks the measure into two bars, so the measure count in B. Tbn. will be wrong anyway (1 more than what you want) …
The measure numbering will be correct in all staves - since the plug-in, for the second measure, automatically de-selects the option
Include in Measure Numbering.

However, the number of measures in a multimeasure rest is a different problem.
A multimeasure rest should only include measures that are all in the same time signature.
Imagine the confusion during a rehearsal if if some of the multimeasure rest measures have a different time signature.
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Post by motet » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:16 pm

The idea of a split measure is that it IS the same time signature, just split for layout reasons. That Finale uses two measures of different time signature behind the scenes is an artifact.

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Post by motet » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:18 pm

The other day I wanted to split a very busy measure in one part, but it's no-go without extracting, I don't think.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:11 pm

If you need the split measure to display a quarter rest in the pickup (which was blueshift’s original problem, I think), then you can not get a multimeasure rest, because of the quarter rest.
A multimeasure rest is only possible if the empty measures are truly empty; they can not contain any real rests, only the Default Whole Measure Rests (which are not real entries).
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