What to do when Hyperscribe has fallen behind
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When Hyperscribe falls behind, my resulting score has occasional eighth rests where notes should have been. It puts the eighth rests in without actually losing anything. In other words, everything downstream gets phase-shifted right by exactly an eighth. Comes out pretty strange looking.
I've been trying to fix things by deleting the improper rest, doing Show Active Layer Only, and then doing "Midi/Audio / Retranscribe."
And I get all kinds of different chaos. Hard to describe what it looks like.
Is Retranscribe the right tool to be using in this situation?
(Yes, I can re-record -- we have another session tomorrow. But I'm afraid it'll just do it again.)
(It's eighth rests because that's the granularity I'm using right now.)
I've been trying to fix things by deleting the improper rest, doing Show Active Layer Only, and then doing "Midi/Audio / Retranscribe."
And I get all kinds of different chaos. Hard to describe what it looks like.
Is Retranscribe the right tool to be using in this situation?
(Yes, I can re-record -- we have another session tomorrow. But I'm afraid it'll just do it again.)
(It's eighth rests because that's the granularity I'm using right now.)
- N Grossingink
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Try this:
Set the filter to copy everything. Find the first extra eighth rest and select everything to the right of it, to the end of the file. Drag the selected area one eighth to the left. When you release the mouse button, you should find everything shifted ahead by an eighth. Repeat as necessary.
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Set the filter to copy everything. Find the first extra eighth rest and select everything to the right of it, to the end of the file. Drag the selected area one eighth to the left. When you release the mouse button, you should find everything shifted ahead by an eighth. Repeat as necessary.
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I'm sorry, I never replied on this thread. The work-around was difficult (falsely tied eighth notes don't seem to go back to being quarter notes), but, M. Grossingink, I thank you for it nonetheless. I wasn't aware that you could slide whole regions left and right!
I have new info: my problem back then turns out to have been related, at least in part, to rapidly changing odd-numbered time signatures...
If Hyperscribe has to go through a stretch of, for example, 6/8 (many bars) -> 5/8 (one bar) -> 1/8 (one bar) -> 6/8 (many bars), it apparently gets permanently out of whack upon hitting the 1/8 -> 6/8 sequence. Always. At least on my machine. Two versions of Finale. By "out of whack", I mean that the notation is entered as if the 5/8 bar had been played in as a 4/8 bar. (Or a 6/8 bar. It's a little confusing.) Everything downstream ends up phase-shifted by an eighth note. It's due to the oddball time signatures, not to "falling behind" and/or lack of CPU power.
This happens for 1/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8, 1/4, etc. Interestingly, it does *not* happen for 2/8, 4/8, 6/8, 2/4, etc. (to the extent I've actually tried them.)
I have not found a non-clumsy work-around, except for "don't do that!"
I am using Finale 26 on a Windows machine. Hope this helps someone who is puzzling over Hyperscribe.
I have new info: my problem back then turns out to have been related, at least in part, to rapidly changing odd-numbered time signatures...
If Hyperscribe has to go through a stretch of, for example, 6/8 (many bars) -> 5/8 (one bar) -> 1/8 (one bar) -> 6/8 (many bars), it apparently gets permanently out of whack upon hitting the 1/8 -> 6/8 sequence. Always. At least on my machine. Two versions of Finale. By "out of whack", I mean that the notation is entered as if the 5/8 bar had been played in as a 4/8 bar. (Or a 6/8 bar. It's a little confusing.) Everything downstream ends up phase-shifted by an eighth note. It's due to the oddball time signatures, not to "falling behind" and/or lack of CPU power.
This happens for 1/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8, 1/4, etc. Interestingly, it does *not* happen for 2/8, 4/8, 6/8, 2/4, etc. (to the extent I've actually tried them.)
I have not found a non-clumsy work-around, except for "don't do that!"
I am using Finale 26 on a Windows machine. Hope this helps someone who is puzzling over Hyperscribe.
- N Grossingink
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The unnecessary tied eighths should be able to be consolidated into quarters by using "Retranscribe".GarryW wrote:The work-around was difficult (falsely tied eighth notes don't seem to go back to being quarter notes),
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N. Grossingink
Educational Band, Orchestra and Jazz Ensemble a specialty
Sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFF5OeJDeLFGHMRyXrubFqZWXBubErw4/view?usp=share_link
Mac Mini 2014 2.6 Ghz, 8Gb RAM
OSX 10.15.7
Finale 2012c, 25.5, 26.3, 27.3
Educational Band, Orchestra and Jazz Ensemble a specialty
Sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFF5OeJDeLFGHMRyXrubFqZWXBubErw4/view?usp=share_link
Mac Mini 2014 2.6 Ghz, 8Gb RAM
OSX 10.15.7
Finale 2012c, 25.5, 26.3, 27.3
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Motet: BINGO! That was it. Eighth notes were already working. But now EVERYTHING is working.
THANK YOU. WOO-HOO!!
I won't go into the details, but... my personal feeling, given the grief, is that that dialog box is rather botched in the way it's worded, described, laid out, and implemented.
But other than that, it's perfect.
(Re "retranscribe" as part of a workaround: I tried it, but it didn't go well.)
Thanks again for the fix!
THANK YOU. WOO-HOO!!
I won't go into the details, but... my personal feeling, given the grief, is that that dialog box is rather botched in the way it's worded, described, laid out, and implemented.
But other than that, it's perfect.
(Re "retranscribe" as part of a workaround: I tried it, but it didn't go well.)
Thanks again for the fix!
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Yes, I do have count-offs. You are psychic. That's partly where the irregular measures came from. And since my piano player is recording my count-offs explicitly, I've been using count-offs for my count-offs.