What to do when Hyperscribe has fallen behind

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Post by GarryW » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:30 am

When Hyperscribe falls behind, my resulting score has occasional eighth rests where notes should have been. It puts the eighth rests in without actually losing anything. In other words, everything downstream gets phase-shifted right by exactly an eighth. Comes out pretty strange looking.

I've been trying to fix things by deleting the improper rest, doing Show Active Layer Only, and then doing "Midi/Audio / Retranscribe."

And I get all kinds of different chaos. Hard to describe what it looks like.

Is Retranscribe the right tool to be using in this situation?

(Yes, I can re-record -- we have another session tomorrow. But I'm afraid it'll just do it again.)

(It's eighth rests because that's the granularity I'm using right now.)


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Post by N Grossingink » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:22 pm

Try this:

Set the filter to copy everything. Find the first extra eighth rest and select everything to the right of it, to the end of the file. Drag the selected area one eighth to the left. When you release the mouse button, you should find everything shifted ahead by an eighth. Repeat as necessary.

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Post by GarryW » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:31 am

I'm sorry, I never replied on this thread. The work-around was difficult (falsely tied eighth notes don't seem to go back to being quarter notes), but, M. Grossingink, I thank you for it nonetheless. I wasn't aware that you could slide whole regions left and right!

I have new info: my problem back then turns out to have been related, at least in part, to rapidly changing odd-numbered time signatures...

If Hyperscribe has to go through a stretch of, for example, 6/8 (many bars) -> 5/8 (one bar) -> 1/8 (one bar) -> 6/8 (many bars), it apparently gets permanently out of whack upon hitting the 1/8 -> 6/8 sequence. Always. At least on my machine. Two versions of Finale. By "out of whack", I mean that the notation is entered as if the 5/8 bar had been played in as a 4/8 bar. (Or a 6/8 bar. It's a little confusing.) Everything downstream ends up phase-shifted by an eighth note. It's due to the oddball time signatures, not to "falling behind" and/or lack of CPU power.

This happens for 1/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8, 1/4, etc. Interestingly, it does *not* happen for 2/8, 4/8, 6/8, 2/4, etc. (to the extent I've actually tried them.)

I have not found a non-clumsy work-around, except for "don't do that!"

I am using Finale 26 on a Windows machine. Hope this helps someone who is puzzling over Hyperscribe.

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Post by motet » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:52 am

In the Hyperscribe / Beat Source / Play and/or Click dialog, what is Beat Equals: set to? If longer than an eighth note, try setting it to an eighth note, upping the tempo if necessary.

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Post by N Grossingink » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:37 am

GarryW wrote:The work-around was difficult (falsely tied eighth notes don't seem to go back to being quarter notes),
The unnecessary tied eighths should be able to be consolidated into quarters by using "Retranscribe".

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Post by GarryW » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:38 am

Motet: BINGO! That was it. Eighth notes were already working. But now EVERYTHING is working.

THANK YOU. WOO-HOO!!

I won't go into the details, but... my personal feeling, given the grief, is that that dialog box is rather botched in the way it's worded, described, laid out, and implemented.

But other than that, it's perfect.

(Re "retranscribe" as part of a workaround: I tried it, but it didn't go well.)

Thanks again for the fix!

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Post by jdpmus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:27 pm

Just a thought. Are you allowing yourself enough of a count-in before playing? I find that I need two measures of count-in so I can start exactly on the first beat.

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Post by GarryW » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:22 pm

Yes, I do have count-offs. You are psychic. That's partly where the irregular measures came from. And since my piano player is recording my count-offs explicitly, I've been using count-offs for my count-offs.

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Post by motet » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:56 pm

I suspect Hyperscribe is hiccuping at the meter changes when your beat is a quarter, which is why I suggested eighths. Normally, this shouldn't be necessary.

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