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I am trying to set four different measure-number regions in this piece, each to start with the number 1. I have each one properly set, but no matter that I set the starting number at "1", the measure numbers don't respond to that and are continuous throughout all four regions. I'm attaching a screen shot of what I see in the measure regions window; it all looks correct to me, but I must be missing something.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Mark
OS 10.14
Finale 26

I've occasionally encountered something like this. If the score merger created any regions, that's suspect. Try deleting them all and re-entering them. There's a JW plug-in that might help, though I've never used it.

Aha! I just discovered that it doesn't make "1" the start number for a region until you click on "style", even if what you want is the default thing displayed there. That's pretty silly, isn't it?

Thanks, Motet!

Probably you just need to navigate out of the box, or perhaps press Enter, for it to take. A tab should work as well as clicking on Style.

motet wrote:Probably you just need to navigate out of the box, or perhaps press Enter, for it to take. A tab should work as well as clicking on Style.

Thanks! Enter and tabbing didn't work, but clicking on Style did. I am relieved that all of my problems in this piece are solved (I hope!).

Mark

Just curious : where is "Style" ?

Just to the right of "Starting number."

So obvious !

michelp wrote:So obvious !

And why should you have to click on it, when it's already set to what you want?

Does anybody else encounter the issue when relabeling measure regions, the font changes (specifically to Maestro rather than Times New Roman)? It's very annoying and tedious to reset the font every time I have to create regions, and I'm wondering if anyone here has solutions.

mrmetzge wrote:Does anybody else encounter the issue when relabeling measure regions, the font changes (specifically to Maestro rather than Times New Roman)? It's very annoying and tedious to reset the font every time I have to create regions, and I'm wondering if anyone here has solutions.

You can change the font in the Document Options and save that to your default template, just like every other document setting. Then all further documents will have that font as default.

mrmetzge wrote:Does anybody else encounter the issue when relabeling measure regions, the font changes (specifically to Maestro rather than Times New Roman)? It's very annoying and tedious to reset the font every time I have to create regions, and I'm wondering if anyone here has solutions.

What do you mean by "relabel"?

When you click the Add button to add a region in the Edit Measure Number Regions dialog, it seems to inherit the font from whichever existing region is highlighted, if that provides a clue.

motet wrote: When you click the Add button to add a region in the Edit Measure Number Regions dialog, it seems to inherit the font from whichever existing region is highlighted, if that provides a clue.

Right, it does that naturally. But my issue lies in that when I try to adjust the starting number, often it doesn't change to what I type in unless I adjust the Style. And when I adjust the Style, it then switches the font to Maestro, and from there I have to Reset the Font and Position for all subcategories.

mrmetzge wrote:… my issue lies in that when I try to adjust the starting number, often it doesn't change to what I type in unless I adjust the Style. And when I adjust the Style, it then switches the font to Maestro, and from there I have to Reset the Font and Position for all subcategories.

That sounds like file corruption.

Does it happen in all documents ?
e. g. also in a fresh new Document Without Libraries ?

[/quote] That sounds like file corruption. Does it happen in all documents ?
e. g. also in a fresh new Document Without Libraries ?[/quote]

It does, yes. Every new document from setup wizard I've done has this issue.

mrmetzge wrote:

Peter Thomsen wrote: That sounds like file corruption. Does it happen in all documents ?
e. g. also in a fresh new Document Without Libraries ?

It does, yes. Every new document from setup wizard I've done has this issue.

Actually I was asking about a fresh new Document Without Libraries, not about new documents created from Document Styles in the Wizard.

Anyway, I have not been able to reproduce your problem.

I created a new document, and added an extra measure number region, changed the Starting Number, changed the Style.
Nothing un-expected happened.
The font did not switch to Maestro.

Does the problem perhaps only happen in documents with many, many measure number regions ?
Can you e. g. make the problem happen in a document with only two measure number regions ?

This is hard to diagnose because things are vague. Since it happens with every document, please create one that will the problem, upload it here, and post the exact steps yous take. What do you change "Style" to? Do you try to change the starting number first? What are you trying to change it to?

I have had trouble with regions in the past--I think I posted about it here, and ended up having to deleted them all and re-enter them, so it is buggy. But it only happened to me once.

Here's the thread where I complained about it, and several others did as well. Sounds like maybe the same bug.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14659

This thread is exactly my same issue, thanks for sharing! Though it appears like there isn't any sort of solution other than understanding that it's a bug and working around it. I started using JW Measure Numbers to work around the issue personally.

Just tried creating a new document from Without Libraries and I did not encounter the issue! So that is also another solution, so next time I make a template I'll start it from there.

Uploading an example of my issue here.

So my exact steps that lead to this issue:
1. Create new document using Template (though all my previous templates for the past few months have encountered this same issue)
2. Edit Measure Number Regions
3. Change the range of Region 1.
4. Add a 2nd Region
5. Change the range of Region 2, change starting number.
6. Starting number does not change, so therefore click Style "1,2,3,4" to change the starting number.
7. New font is set to Default Maestro, Position is now "0, 0"

Playing around a little bit during this example, I discovered another solution to the issue by adding all new measure regions from the original "1-999" before adjusting the range of the original region.

I also have some screenshots I can share, but I'm struggling on figuring out how to put them into the post. I assume using "Img," but I can't figure out the specific way, and the files are too big to be attached for some reason. Sorry y'all, brand new to this board!

I'm able to change the range of the existing region, add a new one, and change its starting number, but while playing around with it multiple times I got Maestro numbers to appear once, and another time the measure numbers in the second region didn't display at all. I don't remember exactly which steps I took, and couldn't get the anomalies to happen again. I never had the change the style, though. But it does seem buggy.

Since your ending measure number is 9999, I'm guessing you changed something there.

Did you change Finale's default document? If not, can you create a document with File/New/Default document and get the bug to happen? I'd guess there's little hope of MakeMusic fixing this, but for that little bit of hope, you need to hand them a scenario they can create on their own, or they will just blow you off.

motet wrote: Did you change Finale's default document? If not, can you create a document with File/New/Default document and get the bug to happen? I'd guess there's little hope of MakeMusic fixing this, but for that little bit of hope, you need to hand them a scenario they can create on their own, or they will just blow you off.

I just created a new document from File/New/Default Document and the bug happens here as well, following the same steps I did above. I can attach screenshots if someone can teach me how.

More helpful would be an exact description of what you do: what do you change the range of the first region to? Then you click Add? What do you change in the second region to? And so on. It may matter what numbers you use and in what order.

The exact description of my steps was listed above, but I'll post again here:

1. Create new document using File/New/Default Document
2. Edit Measure Number Regions
3. Change the range of Region 1. Generic example: change range from "1-999" to "1-16"
4. Add a 2nd Region
5. Change the range of Region 2, change starting number. Generic example: "1-16" (from previous region) to "17-32." New starting number is 1.
6. Starting number does not change, so therefore click Style "1,2,3,4" to force-change the starting number.
7. New font is set to Default Maestro, Position is now "0, 0"

I can tell you from encountering this bug on many, many different new documents that it's highly unlikely that the bug is linked to any specific numbers. The moment it emerges seems to be immediately following the adjustment of the original measure region and activates by adding a new measure region.

I've tested these steps in V25 and v26 without any problem. Usually, when something like this happens consistently in every file, I start to make some assumptions. First, maybe the default file is corrupt. Second, maybe preferences are corrupt. If, after ruling those two things out, maybe post the sample default file without any editing here so we can test it. If we don't have any problem, then maybe contact support and have them get involved.

Again, no problem here.

Zuill