Weird behavior in one-line staves

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Post by maennis1112 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:14 pm

Dear all,

For years now I've been noticing a weird behavior with one-line staves, i.e. a very difficult placement of expressions and smart-shapes. When a regular one-line staff staff style is applied, the cursor doesn't show it's regular shape but has an additional arrow pointing towards the end of the staff where last there was a regular staff. For expressions you have to hover exactly right over the notehead, otherwise it'll put the expression to the barline seperating the regular staff style from the one-line staff style. Usually that's ok, but this time, I can't seem to be able to position smart shapes (hairpins, in this case) underneath, seemingly because the software seems to be bugging. So either nothing happens upon clicking, or the hairpins get inflexibly extended between both ends of the (one-line) staff style.

I've attached a little screenshot to show the cursor transformation. Does anybody have a clue what's up with this? The staff style I've used is the default one-line staff.

Thanks so much in advance and all the best,

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Post by motet » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:35 pm

I don't get that--I get normal cursors. Maybe someone will know. I do have an older version.

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Post by maennis1112 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:44 pm

Thanks so much motet for your quick reply! :)

Yes, so what I noticed was that it doesn't do that in all instances... Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't... But from many years of experience, I know this problem and probably managed to live with it because it doesn't do that all the time... :lol: :? It's frustrating because I'm sure there is a reason and even a point to it, but often enough it just inhibits the workflow...

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Post by motet » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:11 pm

I see what you mean now! If I put the staff style on a later bar, the cursor is a plus sign with an arrow point NW or NE if below the staff, and it will only place things on the next or previous measure. I don't use this staff style, so I'm afraid I don't know what it means. It's as if that staff style doesn't take expressions or articulations, but it did in the first measure.

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Post by motet » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:25 pm

This is weird. Measures 1, 5, and 8 are OK, measures 3 and 7 are not. But if I apply music spacing, 1, 7, and 8 are OK, 3 and 5 are not.

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Post by motet » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:40 pm

Windows screen capture doesn't show cursors, but here's a photo. If I plant the cursor right on the notehead it changes and I can apply a dynamic with a metatool.

With some effort I can draw a hairpin at the staff line, but not under.

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Post by maennis1112 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:38 am

Thanks motet for taking the time to replicate the situation. "Glad" you experienced the same problem – it is indeed super weird. I just had the experience that mere scrolling changed the cursor behavior, so it works for a couple of measures, then not anymore. But it's still frustrating, time-consuming and utterly incomprehensible why such a basic function doesn't properly work.

Anybody else with an idea?
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Post by HaraldS » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:21 am

maennis1112 wrote:Anybody else with an idea?
Entering crescendos in one-line staves works with my JWLua script from here. It will be anchored properly within the measure, not to the start of the current and next measure.
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Post by maennis1112 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:16 am

Hello Harald,

Thanks so much, this is amazing. So I've copied and pasted your code into a new script and run it, but it doesn't seem to change the phenomenon. Have I done something wrong? I must say, I don't have any experience with FinaleScript, so it's possible (=probable) that I did something wrong. ;)

Thanks a bunch again and all best!
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Post by zuill » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:02 pm

I suppose you could enter the expressions before applying the staff style.

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Post by HaraldS » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:03 pm

Hello,
maennis1112 wrote:I don't have any experience with FinaleScript, so it's possible (=probable) that I did something wrong. ;)
This isn't a FinaleScript, this is a JWLua script. You need the JWLua plugin first. Make yourself familiar with it, then paste my code into the development window.

Then you can select a region, hit "Run Script" and all staves in the selected region will get a a crescendo, including one-line staves.

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Post by motet » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:26 pm

JW Pattern seems to work for creating hairpins.

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Post by motet » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:38 pm

Dynamics, as I said, can be applied by positioning the cursor right on the notehead at the staff line so that it turns into a cursor with a note.

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