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Post by mmike » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:13 pm

I know that I've done this in the past, but I simply can not remember how ...
I can do it with slash notation, but would prefer to have a real repeat sign with dots for each group of 4 Sixteenths. Also, when I apply slash notation to the second part of a measure (as in the 3rd measure shown), the slur at the beginning disappears. Why?
Any suggestions? Thanks.
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Post by miker » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:37 pm

According to Gould, the slashes with dots are only for repeated measures, not beats. She shows a single slash for a repeated eighth note group, double slashes for 16ths, and triple slashes for 32nds.

She also says that slashes are only appropriate in instrumental parts of theater and entertainment music.
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Post by mmike » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:38 pm

Technically that's of course correct. Slashes would be fine (and, in retrospect, I think that's actually what I did), but I see no way to do double slashes for sixteenths in the alternate notation choices. I also still wonder why applying this staff style to a partial measure would delete slurs in places where it isn't applied)
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Post by N Grossingink » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:57 pm

As Mike pointed out, it might be best to notate this in a more traditional way. After all, many musicians who are called upon to play contemporary music come from a more traditional background and education.

The 4 dots (4 text periods) clarify that this is not a tremolo. If you want playback, write out the 16ths completely in layer 4 and apply the staff style "Blank Notation - Layer 4. The dropping of the tie is a bug associated with Finale's Slash Notation.

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Post by mmike » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:31 pm

N Grossingink wrote: The dropping of the tie is a bug associated with Finale's Slash Notation
aha! well at least there's a reason ...
Thanks for the other suggestions
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Post by zuill » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:56 pm

Regarding the slur disappearing, I recall a bug in the past. However, when I tested the example myself in 2014.5, the slur remains. I would be interested in examining a file that has a disappearing slur to see why you are having that behavior, but I am not.

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Post by motet » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:08 pm

The problem with the slash notation staff style is that it leaves the amount of space of what's hidden beneath. This is OK for crude lead sheets but may not be otherwise desirable. In the past I've replaced the notes with quarter rests and then using slash notation, but of course it won't play back correctly.
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Post by motet » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:10 pm

I agree with Mike that the "%" sign would look funny. I also wouldn't write an entire measure of slashes like you did in the second measure. If they're just repeated notes, then perhaps N Grossingink's suggestion is the best.

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Post by mmike » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:07 am

when I tested the example myself in 2014.5, the slur remains. I would be interested in examining a file that has a disappearing slur to see why you are having that behavior, but I am not.
I attach 2 files - an example of the original one which uses slashes for alternate notation (and removes the slurs) and another, newly created one, where (surprise!) the alternate notation staff style uses repeat signs (!) and does not remove the slurs. I checked in document options the fonts for alternate notation and they are the same in both.
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Post by motet » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:43 am

The slash means "play this beat the same as the previous one," rather than "play four of the same note."

I can't explain why the slurs disappear.

The repeat symbols are not good, in my opinion. Use the slash--that's the standard It's hard to tell if you intentionally change the symbol in the Alternate Notation options, but you did.

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Post by mmike » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:04 am

I (thought) I've found it! In Document Options at Alternate Notation you can change the music character to different slashes, diamonds and repeat signs (or anything else you choose). However ... testing different changes, they don't actually seem to work. Yet more confusion ....
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Post by michelp » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:49 am

To avoid misinterpretation, I usually put the word "Simile" over of the slashes.
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Post by MrKrabbs » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:20 am

Found a workaround to the disappearing slurs with the partial-bar slash notation staff style (Finale 2014.5 Mac).

Staff>Define Staff Styles

1. Select "Slash Notation" in Staff Styles dialog window.

2. Click "Settings" for Alternate Notation.

3. Use scroll-down menu so that the notation applies to "Layer 2" or another layer you won't need to display notes.

4. Under "Other Layers," check all options.

5. Hit "OK" and enjoy!

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