Text repeat issues

[jdpmus]

Once I have generated parts I find that the text repeats (d.s. al coda, to coda, etc) do not have a handle to allow manual adjustment. Sometime the d.s. sign will have one, but the others do not.

Am I missing something?

[zuill]

We've been given too little information. We might need to see a file to better help. Maybe these are at the end of a MM Rest. If that is the case, then you won't have a handle in the part at that point.

Zuill

[jdpmus]

You're correct, they are where the MM rest occur. Any idea how to move them?

[zuill]

Go to Scroll View. You may have to go back and forth a few times to get the exact positioning you want.

Zuill

[zuill]

I don't know if Mac has the same option here as Windows, but I can open a second Window for a document, then tile the windows horizontally. With one window in Scroll View, I can move the Repeat Text item, and watch it move in the other window which is in Page View. Pretty cool.

Zuill

[jdpmus]

Can't get that to work on my Mac.

[jdpmus]

Nope. That doesn't work. Tried it 10 times

[zuill]

Sorry. I didn't realize it was a Win only feature. Pretty nifty trick that I didn't know about.

Anyway, you can still move the Repeat Text in Scroll View, right?

Zuill

P.S.: In the Mac manual, it does have New Window and Tile Windows. Are you able to get that far?

[jdpmus]

I'll dig through the manual tomorrow. I can move the marking in scroll view, just not in page view.

Thanks.

[N Grossingink]

It does work in Macintosh also, sort of. In scroll view, drag the text. You won't see it move, but when you release the mouse button it snaps to the new location. Not quite the same but still useful.

[jdpmus]

The problem is that it is in the correct position in the score, right-aligned to the right-hand bar line. However when I generate and look at the part, there are no "handles" on some of the text repeats. Some markings (DS sign in this case) have them and some don't (to coda, d.s. al coda, etc.). They are usually at the last measure of a multi-measure rest. It is also inconsistent: sometimes the handles show up in other parts on different text repeats.

Puzzling.

[zuill]

I'll dig through the manual tomorrow. I can move the marking in scroll view, just not in page view.

Thanks.

That's what I was trying to say. When I have both windows open. I can't move it in Page View. However, when I move it in Scroll View, it also is seen to move in the Page View pane. Quite intriguing.

Zuill

[jdpmus]

I'll try your "tile" suggestion today. I found a menu item for tile last night, but couldn't get it to work. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong so I will consult the manual today.

If it works like your illustration, then that would eliminate the majority of the frustration.

Thanks again.

[N Grossingink]

I'll try your "tile" suggestion today. I found a menu item for tile last night, but couldn't get it to work. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong so I will consult the manual today.

Open the file you want to edit. Go to the Window Menu on the Menu Bar and pick New Window. You now have 2 windows of the same file open simultaneously, one on top of the other. Go to the Window Menu again and pick Tile Windows. You now can see both windows on the screen, one in the top half and the other below.

Set the top window to Page View and the bottom window to Scroll View. In order to manipulate items in either window, you must first click on the window to "activate" it. Activate the Page View window and go to the text item you want to move. Activate the Scroll View window and go to the text item you want to move. In the Scroll View window, use the Selection Tool to drag the item. You'll see the results in the Page View window when you release the mouse button. Move it several more times to get the feel. Then move it to where you'd like, confirming in the Page View window that's what you'd like.

[jdpmus]

Okay, that does work as you both suggested. However, you have to repeat the sequence for each subsequent part. That seems to be a convoluted, though ultimately successful, workaround. There's got to be a better way.

I've put in a support ticket and will post here when (and if) I get a response. In the meantime, thanks for the help and your patience while I work through this.

[motet]

You can select more than one handle at a time by click-dragging a rectangle around them.

The problem is that the repeats are attached to the final measure, but if there's a multimeasure rest, that measure is inaccessible. I'm not sure there's a bug per se.

[zuill]

As far as adjusting in all the parts, if they are identical, then have the Scroll View Window show in one pane. If the Repeat Text is linked in all parts, move it in the score and it will move in all the parts. then move it back in the score (after unlinking it from the parts first. That way, all the parts will have the same position, but the score will have its own.

Zuill

[jdpmus]

I'm working on this now and it seems that the gremlin is that the text repeat that doesn't have a handle is within measures of a multi measure rest. If I remove the MM rest, the handle appears and the text repeat can be moved.

So, is there a setting for MM rests where it will automatically "break" at that point? Maybe a plug-in?

You guys are really helping so hang in there.

[motet]

Multimeasure rests don't show in Scroll View, which I thought was what we've been talking about. That's the reason to adjust them there.

[jdpmus]

Yes, I know that. What was throwing me was being unable to move text repeat markings in page view prior to printing.

[motet]

Hence the Scroll View suggestion to accomplish the move.

Some markings (DS sign in this case) have them and some don't (to coda, d.s. al coda, etc.). They are usually at the last measure of a multi-measure rest. It is also inconsistent: sometimes the handles show up in other parts on different text repeats.

Is it really the case that some have it and some don't? Or is it the case that sometimes they appear in multimeasure rests and other times they don't?

[jdpmus]

Yes. As I'm working down the score today I found one part with a 16 empty measures is generated as 15 MM and one measure blank with the text repeat. This is in the same score, but a different set of instruments. An earlier part in the score had 16 MM and I Ould not move the text repeat (no handle).

[motet]

There's likely some other reason the 15+1 were not combined into 16, but I would only be guessing without seeing the file.

[Anders Hedelin]

If you don't need the text repeat for playback, you could create it as text expression. In page or scroll view of the score, attach it to the measure after the last one in the multimeasure rest that shows in the part.

In that way you won't have any problems with multimeasure rests hiding anything, I believe. You'll just have to do some manual repositioning in score and parts.

[Anders Hedelin]

If the text expression method works for you, you could also define the positioning as: Justification - Right; Horizontal alignment point - Left barline. And you are almost there.