Roman Numberal Prolongation
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Ok, so let's say you're using the lyrics tool to type in Roman Numberal analysis into the score using this method:
https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Fin ... d-bass.htm
How would you add the horizontal lines used to prolong and extend chords? Is there a way to do it still within the lyrics tool? Or do we need use use an expression or smartshape.
https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Fin ... d-bass.htm
How would you add the horizontal lines used to prolong and extend chords? Is there a way to do it still within the lyrics tool? Or do we need use use an expression or smartshape.
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Use lyric Word Extensions. You must draw each manually.
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If you use word extensions, you might want the line centered vertically in relation to the numeral/figure. Document Options > Lyrics > Word Extensions > Lyric Alignment > Vertical Offset From Baseline: app. 0,1–0,2 cm, depending on the size of the numeral/figure.
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A way of designating a repeated harmony is a dash (Alt+hyphen on Mac, Alt+0150 on Windows). (The dash repeats the Roman numeral only.)
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Laborious, but true. Would be a nice JWLua task to find out how long an analysis number is valid and to extend the word extension line automatically...this isn't the background of your question, Nick, by any chance ?N Grossingink wrote:Use lyric Word Extensions. You must draw each manually.
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The link in the original post is about using the Finale Numerics font for adding the numbers (Arabic, not Roman) under the staff. The method Finale uses stacks 3 numbers under the staff. If Word Extensions is on, it produces one extension aligned with the bottom of the stack of numbers, which is not what is desired for figured bass. I think the title of this thread doesn't match the question as posed by the link provided. Maybe we need more clarification from the OP as to what is meant. Possibly Figured Bass Numeral Prolongation is what was meant.
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P.S.: Here's what you get when "Smart Word Extensions" is turned on.
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P.S.: Here's what you get when "Smart Word Extensions" is turned on.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm asking about. I haven't yet tried any of the above solutions, but hoping to later today to see if they work.zuill wrote:The link in the original post is about using the Finale Numerics font for adding the numbers (Arabic, not Roman) under the staff. The method Finale uses stacks 3 numbers under the staff. If Word Extensions is on, it produces one extension aligned with the bottom of the stack of numbers, which is not what is desired for figured bass. I think the title of this thread doesn't match the question as posed by the link provided. Maybe we need more clarification from the OP as to what is meant. Possibly Figured Bass Numeral Prolongation is what was meant.
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P.S.: Here's what you get when "Smart Word Extensions" is turned on.
Never thought about using JW Lua for this. If it's a laborious solution, just scripting it would be a good idea.HaraldS wrote:Laborious, but true. Would be a nice JWLua task to find out how long an analysis number is valid and to extend the word extension line automatically...this isn't the background of your question, Nick, by any chance ;) ?N Grossingink wrote:Use lyric Word Extensions. You must draw each manually.
I have no idea where that comment came from, but I at least was taught "Roman Numerals". Though surprisingly not everyone in my college theory class knew them well, let alone harmonic analysis with them.motet wrote:Ah, thank you. Are kids not taught about "Roman numerals" in school anymore?
Using the Finale Numerics font, it is possible to do both figured bass and roman numerals like this:
Though as far as I know using the default word extensions doesn't work well for indicating prolongation or even the continuation of a chord. Like this*:
*Ok, that's really bad voice leading.
To make that image, I used a Smartshape. But if I could keep everything in using the lyric tool, that would be simpler and easier.
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In Document Options > Lyrics tool > Word Extensions, you obviously have to uncheck 'Use Smart Word Extensions'. About how to place it vertically, please see my earlier post.N Grossingink wrote:Use lyric Word Extensions. You must draw each manually.
Nick, in your second example I would advise using a dash for the repeated Roman numeral, not an extension line, and rewriting the Arabic figure.
No problem with the voice leading as such, since it is a simple octave shift.
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There is still a handle for the extension, even when SWE is turned off. The line can then be manually dragged to where it needs to go. However, there's just one line per stack. I was thinking each level of the stack would need its own line, so Word Extensions won't work for that. Maybe I'm wrong. If only one line is needed, then Word Extensions could work. However, they seem to align with the lowest number. So, changing the default setting might not work the same for each type (single number, 2 stacked, 3 stacked).
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As I see it, this is a situation when you would need extension lines in harmonic analysis:
Otherwise, I'm not so sure.Finale 26.3, 27.4.1
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Here's the harmonic analysis notation I'm used to when a harmony is repeated/prolonged:
Probably there are other ways of doing this, but this one has served me and my students well over the years.Finale 26.3, 27.4.1
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