Whole measure accidental in Speedy

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Post by John Ruggero » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:06 pm

Suddenly the key command Option-accidental has stopped working in Speedy in Finale 25.5 only. Nothing happens when I try to use it. It does work from the Speedy menu. I've tested it in a Finale Default File so it doesn't seem to be a corrupted file. Single note accidentals are working normally. The key command option-accidental is working correctly in my other versions of Finale.

Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks.
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Post by motet » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:33 pm

I guess I would try rebooting first, but since it works in other versions I'm afraid you might have to resort to recreating your preferences file for that version.

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Post by John Ruggero » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:44 pm

Thanks, Motet. i should have said that this has been a problem for a week or so. So rebooting wouldn't appear to be a solution. Being faint of heart and having so many preferences to restore, I think I'll take a rain check on the other suggestion. Anyone else have a idea? If not, I'll just totter on using the menu for that command.
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Post by michelp » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:58 pm

25.5 on 10.11.6.
In Speedy, the keys + and - (no option key necessary, but it also works in conjunction with it) work for me on the numeric keypad as well as on the main keyboard of my Mac.
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Post by motet » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm

With Option it will do all notes in the measure that match the note under the cursor at once.

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Post by zuill » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:37 am

In Windows it's Ctrl+Shift++ to raise all notes in a measure, and Ctrl+Shift+- to lower. In the Manual for Mac, it is similar, but instead of Ctrl, it is Opt. So, Opt+Shift++ and Opt+Shift+-. This is in Finale v26. I guess I should check other versions of Finale.

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P.S.: I checked back to Finale 2011 with the same behavior. Odd however, but not unexpected: the drop-down menu has it wrong. It says Ctrl++ and Ctrl+-. It has not ever been that way, at least in my recent memory. It has always been the way I described it above. The manual has it that way as well. It is the drop-down menu that tells the erroneous key combinations. So for Mac, that probably has been that way for years: the manual being correct, but the drop-down menu being wrong. I would guess the programmers should know how to fix the text in the drop-down menu. That doesn't seem to me to be rocket science.
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Post by motet » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:28 am

Oddly, plain Ctrl+minus will lower the notes in the measure (actually, from that point to the end of the measure, not necessarily the whole measure), but to raise, you need the shift key.

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Post by John Ruggero » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:36 am

I am on a Mac. I have always used the numeric keypad to apply accidentals from that point on to the end of the measure in Speedy. It has always been Option - or Option +. As I mentioned, it works like that in earlier versions of Finale that I have and it worked like that in my copy of Finale 25.5 until a couple of weeks ago. And it is correct in the Speedy>Edit commands window only for the numeric keypad as pointed out. However my Finale 25.5 does not work using either for the numeric keypad or the alphabetic keyboard; only the Speedy window.
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Post by zuill » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:04 am

motet wrote:Oddly, plain Ctrl+minus will lower the notes in the measure (actually, from that point to the end of the measure, not necessarily the whole measure), but to raise, you need the shift key.
That's on the QWERTY portion of the keyboard. Ctrl+= (which is the same key as the +), yields a backward tie. Just = yields a forward tie. Ctrl+Shift++ yields the whole measure accidental bump up. I believe either Ctrl+Shift+- or Ctrl+- does the whole measure accidental bump down from the QWERTY keyboard. Ctrl+Shift is needed for both from the NumPad. Just Ctrl++ or Ctrl+- on the NumPad does page increase or page decrease respectively.

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Post by motet » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:25 am

I rarely use this, but in the past I seem to recall having to put the cursor vertically on the notehead. Am I misremembering, or is that for when there are chords?

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Post by motet » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:11 am

Never mind--it's whole measure enharmonic change (Ctrl+9) that needs the horizontal cursor on the note. Though I don't really know why that has to be.

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Post by michelp » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:00 am

Concerning the whole measure (a factor which I missed at first, sorry), it works for me. I have a setup that is almost similar to yours (25.5 Mac, but 10.11.6, which shouldn't make a difference).
In Speedy, Option + or - (numeric keypad or main keyboard) work. The cursor has to be positioned on the first note of the measure (head or stem). If it positioned on another note, the change will only affect that note and the following ones in the measure.
P.S.: if you don't want to recreate your preferences, you could try to create 2 menu shortcuts using the System Preferences of the Mac or Keyboard Maestro.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:29 pm

zuill wrote:In Windows it's Ctrl+Shift++ to raise all notes in a measure, and Ctrl+Shift+- to lower.
That's just brilliant. Long ago I tried the Ctr++ and Ctr+- presented in the manual but it wouldn't work, so I just assumed it didn't because of my Swedish QWERTY keyboard. Now I can use this rather helpful feature. Thanks!
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Post by John Ruggero » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:35 pm

michelp wrote:P.S.: if you don't want to recreate your preferences, you could try to create 2 menu shortcuts using the System Preferences of the Mac or Keyboard Maestro.
Thanks, michelp. That had occurred to me, since I use KM extensively. I had also researched correcting or modifying the Speedy keyboard shortcuts, but apparently that is not possible without a plugin.
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Post by zuill » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:53 pm

Here are pictures of the NumPad for Win and Mac, from the respective Documentation. What does the Up arrow represent for Mac? [Edit: I looked it up. It is the Shift Key.]

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Post by zuill » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:14 pm

motet wrote:I rarely use this, but in the past I seem to recall having to put the cursor vertically on the notehead. Am I misremembering, or is that for when there are chords?
This particular feature has 2 modes. If the cursor is on a particular Notehead, it and those following in the measure of the same pitch are affected. However, if the cursor is not on a particular Notehead, then all pitches are affected. This is from that point on. It doesn't affect notes earlier in the measure.

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Post by motet » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:55 pm

I'm curious why someone would need this except very occasionally. Is it quicker to enter the notes without accidentals and then go back and change them with this?

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Post by zuill » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:00 pm

I can't say. I don't use this feature. At least, I don't recall needing it in the past. But then again, my memory might be fading. I suppose it might be selective memory.

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Post by John Ruggero » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:44 pm

motet wrote:I'm curious why someone would need this except very occasionally.
I use it all the time because I rely on scanning for note input, since I am only editing in Finale right now. Accidentals are sometimes omitted in the scanning process.
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