Using a forward repeat at bar 1
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I know that a forward-repeat barline is not usually required at the opening bar of a piece, but in this case, would you agree that one is needed?
With thanks for any thoughts,
Hector.
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Question:
I know that a forward-repeat barline is not usually required at the opening bar of a piece, but in this case, would you agree that one is needed?
With thanks for any thoughts,
Hector.
I would not agree. You can omit the first repeat. But the last (=closing) repeat doesn't make clear where to jump to, as it has no corresponding forward repeat. If you want the player to jump to bar 1, a Da Capo would be needed.Hector Pascal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:58 am|| : .............. |
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Question:
I know that a forward-repeat barline is not usually required at the opening bar of a piece, but in this case, would you agree that one is needed?
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Many thanks for your thoughts on this. My intention is to have the following order of bars:
Bars: 1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3
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I didn't use a da capo because I thought everyone would know to return to the only forward-facing repeat (bar1).
As there is room for doubt (as evidenced in this thread!), I am now thinking about writing out the music more fully...
HP.
Bars: 1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3
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I didn't use a da capo because I thought everyone would know to return to the only forward-facing repeat (bar1).
As there is room for doubt (as evidenced in this thread!), I am now thinking about writing out the music more fully...
HP.
Write "Da capo senza repetitione". You can also translate the "senza repetitione" to "without repeats" or any language you like. The "Da capo" is a technical term in music and thus should not be translated.Hector Pascal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:57 pmMy intention is to have the following order of bars:
Bars: 1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3
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You can also write "Da capo al Fine" and add a "Fine" in the last bar to stress the fact that the end is really in bar 3. But it's also fine without a "Fine" .
The usual execution of a backward repeat is to jump to the last forward repeat. So there has to be a forward repeat in normal case. Only if the forward repeat is at the start of the piece, it can be omitted. That's why your bar 3 would need a forward repeat.Hector Pascal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:57 pmI didn't use a da capo because I thought everyone would know to return to the only forward-facing repeat (bar1).
If the piece consists of really only 3 written bars, that's definitely the best way.Hector Pascal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:57 pmAs there is room for doubt (as evidenced in this thread!), I am now thinking about writing out the music more fully...
As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't see a doubt in the interpretation of repeats in this thread. I would consider your example above as an error. Not a big thing, as the last back repeat can easily be replaced by a "Da capo", but these are exactly these kinds of errors which take more rehearsal time than necessary.
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I would write out the passage entirely with no repeats, DSs, etc. It's only 8 bars total.
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