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Post by leonardociampa » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:27 pm

Am I the only one who misses the Canonic Utilities plug-in? I used it all the time for proofreading purposes. Now that it's gone, is there any way to get the plug-in back? Any download or add-on or something?
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Post by michelp » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:46 pm

AFAIK, it is still there. Plug-ins -> Scoring and arranging.
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Post by leonardociampa » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:57 pm

Didn't canonic utilities used to include an option "check for parallel motion" (fifths & octaves)? Or was that a separate plug-in? What I'm REALLY asking is: can Finale 25.5 check for parallel fifths or octaves?

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Post by motet » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:49 am

Long ago there was a plug-in called Find Parallel Motion. I never used it, and don't know why they removed it.

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Post by BuonTempi » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:38 am

motet wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:49 am
Long ago there was a plug-in called Find Parallel Motion. I never used it, and don't know why they removed it.
MM removed a bunch of plug-ins a while ago, based on the analytical data that gets sent back to them from the app.
As they were rarely used, they were removed to reduce the size of the code base.

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Post by leonardociampa » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:22 am

The only problem being that I used “find parallel motion” all the time! :cry:

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Post by N Grossingink » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:31 am

If you have installation discs for an earlier version of Finale, where the plugin was included, you might try installing the app again, then moving the plugin to your current Finale version. It might not work but maybe it's worth trying. You use Windows, which has better compatibility with older Finale versions.

This is a good reason why uninstalling older Finale versions might not be a good idea.
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Post by michelp » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:48 am

32 bit plug-ins will not work with Finale 25 & 26 (64 bit).
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Post by mmike » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:53 pm

I copied Find Parallel Motion from Finale 2012 (from the Scoring and Arranging plug-in folder) to Finale 2014.5. Works just fine.
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Post by michelp » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:29 pm

Yes, but 2014.5 is still 32 bit, not 25 & 26.
P.S. : that's one more reason to keep a copy of 2014.5 (also for the video window, which is still available), unless you are on a Mac and you have the latest MacOs (incompatible with 2014.5).
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Post by mmike » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:14 pm

michelp wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:29 pm
Yes, but 2014.5 is still 32 bit, not 25 & 26.
the OP seems to be using 2014, so for him, at least, it should work
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Post by michelp » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:29 pm

leonardociampa wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:57 pm
What I'm REALLY asking is: can Finale 25.5 check for parallel fifths or octaves?
...maybe his profile has not been updated.
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Post by N Grossingink » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:50 am

If you have Finale 2014 and can get ahold of a copy of the plugin, install it there. Do whatever you need it for with 2014 and then continue work in Finale 25. The file formats between the 2 versions are interchangable.
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Post by ttw » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:17 am

I read somewhere (and it could have been speculation by posters) that the check parallel was not very accurate. I used it but it found many non-parallels anyway.

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Post by motet » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:52 am

Googling

"find parallel motion" finale

turns up several complaints in years past of the tool not working right (mainly false positives), including this one by me I forget about!

https://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=468907

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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:38 pm

If Finale were created in the 13th century, people then wouldn't have had this problem. False or true parallels being a complete non-issue.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:58 pm

To be just a tiny bit more serious, why would anyone need a plugin to find parallel motion? To correct hundreds of student excercises while cooking dinner, cleaning up and doing the laundry?
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:13 pm

To be even a bit more serious: If you really care about the forbidden parallels in traditional harmony and counterpoint, why don't you develop your own eye and ear for it? To leave it to a plugin seems rather half-hearted in my opinion. Either it's important or it isn't.
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Post by motet » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:31 pm

"Why worry about parallel fifths? Medieval music had them" kind of misses the point of avoiding them in common-practice harmony, which is that they obscure the independence of the voices. The rule is far from arbitrary or pedantic.

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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:56 pm

motet wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:31 pm
"Why worry about parallel fifths? Medieval music had them" kind of misses the point of avoiding them in common-practice harmony, which is that they obscure the independence of the voices. The rule is far from arbitrary or pedantic.
You might have missed my irony.
(I've corrected innumerable parallel fifths and octaves in my days, and often enough explained why.)
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Post by motet » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:31 pm

Ah--sorry.

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Post by miker » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:04 pm

Considering what passes for much “new” music these days, do parallel fifths really matter?
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 pm

miker wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:04 pm
Considering what passes for much “new” music these days, do parallel fifths really matter?
Right, they don't have the same meaning today. The avoidance of parallel fifths and octaves is an old tradition, and I think it's a good idea to know that, in order to understand how composers thought in those times. However, there is a difference between parallel fifths and parallel octaves: the fifths are more a matter of style and period, the octaves are more a question of independance of the voices, in any period.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:57 pm

Just as an aside: It happened that I had to tell my students of the difference between an octave parallel in strict harmony and an octave doubling in arrangement and orchestration. Two quite different things really.
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Post by motet » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:39 pm

Anders Hedelin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 pm
miker wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:04 pm
Considering what passes for much “new” music these days, do parallel fifths really matter?
The avoidance of parallel fifths and octaves is an old tradition, and I think it's a good idea to know that, in order to understand how composers thought in those times.
The harmony of the common practice period is still very much in use today, so we are still in those times and the practice is not quaint, in my opinion. I sing in an amateur chorus and see a lot of dreadful voice leading in contemporary pieces, though, so I'm not sure it's being taught that much.

I think the adage "you need to learn the rules before you can break them" is still a good one.

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