Noteperformer and Finale 26

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Post by mmike » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:27 pm

I was just wondering what the latest was on Noteperformer 3 with Finale 26.
From another thread:
Compared to the constant 1 second latency issue with 25 and NotePerformer, 26 is a vast improvement.
What exacty does that mean? Is there now no longer a playback delay when using it with Finale 26? Any other problems (or improvements)?
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Post by miker » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:34 pm

Generally, latency would refer to the time between when you enter a note, and when you hear it.
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Post by Nick Mazuk » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:46 pm

I use Noteperformer 3 and Finale 26. There is no delay when inputting notes (e.g., using simple entry), but when playing back there's still a 1-second delay.
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Post by mmike » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:27 pm

when playing back there's still a 1-second delay
thanks, too bad
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Post by Michel R E » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:19 pm

that 1 second delay is how NP3 does its version of HumanPlayback.
considering how good NP3 sounds, I think it's a VERY minor inconvenience.
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Post by Nick Mazuk » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:25 pm

I've not had any problems with the 1-second delay. You get used to it after even just an hour of use. Since notes playback as soon as you enter then, it really doesn't disrupt your workflow.

If you're concerned, Noteperformer does have a free trial. Try it out for an hour or two and see if the delay is a huge deal for you. If it is, then you can easily uninstall it.
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Post by mmike » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:00 am

Thanks for your input. I actually have the NP3 Trial and it does work very well. But since I was using it with Fin2014.5 I was just wondering if that (playback) delay was something that had been changed in Fin26. Obviously it is technically possible, since in Dorico there is no delay, but that might just be because of a totally different technical approach. Anyway, for a quick listening setup it's quite amazing.
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Post by mmike » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:13 pm

Now that I've explored NP more seriously, I have a specific question. Although it works very nicely in general, it interprets a series of 8th or 16th notes (or any moving melody line actually) in a very staccato fashion, which is not very pleasant. I can fix this with adding slurs or other, more specific, articulations, but normally I wouldn't notate that in a score. Is there perhaps a particular setting in Human Playback Preferences that would adjust that?
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Post by Michel R E » Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:04 pm

when I create files that must play back as well as print, I often resort to "hiding" certain elements, like "performance" slurs for example.

you can just select the handles of slurs and not show them in the score, they will still perform.

though my favourite way of getting the performance I want is to have separate files for printing and for playback.
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Post by mmike » Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:32 pm

exactly! that's what I've been doing, and for serious playback/performance I actually always export the file to a DAW (Cubase) to create much better mixes with automation, better VST instruments, etc.
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Post by Nick Mazuk » Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pm

mmike wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:13 pm
Now that I've explored NP more seriously, I have a specific question. Although it works very nicely in general, it interprets a series of 8th or 16th notes (or any moving melody line actually) in a very staccato fashion, which is not very pleasant. I can fix this with adding slurs or other, more specific, articulations, but normally I wouldn't notate that in a score. Is there perhaps a particular setting in Human Playback Preferences that would adjust that?
To be honest, at first I was a bit annoyed at that, too. However, when I started comparing Noteperformer's 16th and 8th notes to performances of my music, I noticed that the shortness was closer to the player's defaults.

I believe I have found a setting to make them longer in general, though I can't remember where it is off the top of my head. I'm not in a good spot to open up Finale and figure out exactly where it is right now.
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Post by fratveno » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:18 pm

FWIW, there is something called 'permanent tenuto mode' which can be activated by sending a value of 1 to CC108. (and deactivate by sending 0. ) I haven't explored it though.

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Post by mmike » Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:13 pm

Is this how you would do it? Create an expression like this? (didn't work, though, but maybe it was done incorrectly ...?)
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Post by fratveno » Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:43 pm

Looks correct and it does work, but the effect is pretty subtle compared to what you might want in this context. I seem to remember from other fora that Wallander is not too keen on introducing user defined interpretation options. (some have suggested different attack settings for strings e.g. and this has been pretty categorically refused by Wallander). Personally I have created invisible articulations set to increase duration and mass applied them using meta tools which is pretty efficient.

In Dorico one can define a percentage for each standard note type. "normal" notes is set to 85% of notated duration by default, but Wallander has explicitly stated that Noteperformer works around this setting in order to maintain what it thinks is the proper interpretation...

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