Finale Forum

In the attached example, I would like the trill to not continue into meas.3. So the G-sharp in meas.2 is trilled but then the G-sharp in meas.3 is played straight, w/o trill. Is that clear from my notation? or should there be a tie between the two G-sharps? The thing is, I don't want the notation to look strange even if it is technically correct.

I would put a Slur over the entire 2 measures.

I’m with oldmkvi. I was taught that if a slurred passage contains tied notes, the slur should cover it all.

I would do exactly as Mr. Grossingink example shows.

I don't want the notation to look strange even if it is technically correct.

I prefer that the musicians know exactly what the music wants. If it serves that purpose I don't care what the rules say. MHO, of course.

I like that. Thank you.

N Grossingink wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:10 pm

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If you want the final G sharp distinctly played on the first beat of the last measure, don't tie it to the previous trilled G sharp. if you want an amorphous conclusion to the trill, the tie might be a good way to get that point across.

And actually what you wrote in your OP was fine. But you could put in a (no trill) as suggested by N Grossingink as a precaution.

In my opinion, adding a longer slur is clutter. Trills are legato by default.

my only concern, performance-wise, is that quintuplet.
The trill starts after a tied note of the quintuplet and COULD imply there is a tiny pause as that G# is held.
I would rather see the 16th notes as simply four 16th notes, then the trill starting on the dotted half note.
The gradual movement from the triplets, to the four 16th notes, to the trill then becomes obvious.
As it is notated presently, there is an ambiguity as to whether there is a slight pause on that tied note or not.

Notating as four 16th notes also allows you to use a slur that ends before the trill starts.

I like Ngrossingink's text clarification of no trill. But instead of a quintuplet, wouldn't just a G# whole note trill sound the same? I mean if the first beat is written out as a tuplet, why not write out the whole measure that way and avoid using a trill indication at all?

Jetcopy wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:53 pm

But instead of a quintuplet, wouldn't just a G# whole note trill sound the same?

it actually wouldn't.
the first beat would be a measured tempo, while the trill itself - unmeasured - would begin on the 2nd beat.
if one simply placed a whole note with a trill there is the risk that the transition from the previous measure to the unmeasured trill would be too drastic.
this notation suggests that one desires a gradual movement into the full trill.

why not write out the whole measure that way and avoid using a trill indication at all?

Actually, Tchaikovsky did that!

Trills often end with a couple of Grace Notes.

This is starting to sound like discussion of Chord Symbols and Harmony.
Everyone has their own opinion and method!
No Exact Rules, and/or disagreement over what the Rules really are.
Like what Mike said about slurs attaching to the end of a Tied Note.
I read that here, and I always do it.
Trills connecting to another note need a Slur , to avoid re-articulating the next note.

Skip the tie after the quintuplet.