Help for irregular groups

[The Engraver]

Hi. I have a 4/4 measure. I need to create a triplet in the first quarter, another triplet in the second quarter, and in the remaining half of the measure I have to create an irregular group of 14 sixteenths instead of 8. I tried anyway but the program won't let me do it . I first created the group of 14 sixteenths, then I canceled the rests and tried to create the triplets with the 9 key on the numeric keypad, but nothing. I also tried to create the triplets in the first two quarters with the "irregular groups" tool, but when I try to insert the notes, they replace the group of 14 sixteenth notes. Please, can anyone recommend me? Thanks so much.

[miker]

Is this what you want?

[The Engraver]

Yes, thanks.

[miker]

I set the first two tuplets as 3 eighths in the space of 2 eighths, and the last as 14 sixteenths in the space of 2 eighths.

[Peter Thomsen]

… and the last as 14 sixteenths in the space of 2 eighths.

You probably mean
14 sixteenths in the space of 2 quarters

[Anders Hedelin]

I don't know the context, but for this not quite usual rhythm you might consider 1. to show the quarter beats, as in miker's example, 2. to define the "14-tuplet" as two septuplets? Fourteen isn't anything every musician easily counts to. Not to say that musicians can't count. They usually can, given a chance.

[John Ruggero]

I agree with Anders. If this is a single staff part, do 2 triplets as you have them and then two septuplets. 7 16ths instead of 4 sixteenths in the dialogue box for each septuplet.

If this were a two staff part, like a piano solo, and the other staff was in an even rhythm, then you could do 14 sixteenths instead of 8 sixteenths in the dialogue box and beam all 14 together. Chopin did that all the time.

[The Engraver]

[quote="Anders Hedelin" post_id=73460 time=1582127155 user_id=19723]
I don't know the context, but for this not quite usual rhythm you might consider 1. to show the quarter beats, as in miker's example, 2. to define the "14-tuplet" as two septuplets? Fourteen isn't anything every musician easily counts to. Not to say that musicians can't count. They usually can, given a chance.
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The instrument is Harp, and the "14" is a similar glissando, so that's why I wrote a "14-tuplet". But....I can write two "7-tuplets", is not a problem.

[The Engraver]

[quote="John Ruggero" post_id=73461 time=1582130752 user_id=19588]
I agree with Anders. If this is a single staff part, do 2 triplets as you have them and then two septuplets. 7 16ths instead of 4 sixteenths in the dialogue box for each septuplet.

If this were a two staff part, like a piano solo, and the other staff was in an even rhythm, then you could do 14 sixteenths instead of 8 sixteenths in the dialogue box and beam all 14 together. Chopin did that all the time.
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Yes, I just tried this, but doesn't works. I will try again.....

[Anders Hedelin]

Hm, harp glissando, you say... You see a lot of harp glissandi without any tuplet digits at all, like "just glissando", and there are a few different ways to notate them, some rhythmically more clear, some less so.

But still not knowing the context, it's a little difficult to tell how it best could be done in this case. You couldn't post a ample?

[The Engraver]

Uhm ... some time ago I updated to version 26, and probably the management of irregular groups has changed. Until some time ago the irregular groups at the end of the bar exceeded beyond the bar itself, therefore it was necessary to cancel a rest before the irregular group, create the irregular group and finally insert everything that precedes the irregular group into the bar. And in fact I did it, but it didn't work. Obviously things have changed. Now I tried to insert the two triplets first, and then I inserted the irregular group of 14 sixteenths (or two groups of 7 sixteenths). The result was this: he let me insert all the notes, but he showed me a couple of rests beyond the bar, (although the rest of 4 was still present in the next bar, so I think it's a purely graphic fact). Then I was able to delete those two "ghost" rests and I was therefore able to obtain the example posted by Miker.
Thanks a lot to everyone.

[miker]

… and the last as 14 sixteenths in the space of 2 eighths.

You probably mean
14 sixteenths in the space of 2 quarters

You are correct, of course. I had someone else’s question in mind!

[The Engraver]

[quote="Anders Hedelin" post_id=73464 time=1582132674 user_id=19723]
Hm, harp glissando, you say... You see a lot of harp glissandi without any tuplet digits at all, like "just glissando", and there are a few different ways to notate them, some rhythmically more clear, some less so.

But still not knowing the context, it's a little difficult to tell how it best could be done in this case. You couldn't post a ample?
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Thank You Anders, yes, I know the glissando tool. But in this case it's a "similar" glissando, that is a fast scale that needs to indicate precise notes with precise alterations. That's why I needed to write every note.

[Anders Hedelin]

Well, here are two rather common ways of notating a harp glissando with exact pitches, if not any defined rhythm.
In both, the rhythm that matters is that the duration of the glissando is a halfnote. In the first the pitches are shown as stemless notes at the beginning of the gliss:

Harp glissando 1.JPG (18.2 KiB) Viewed 5103 times

Another way to indicate the exact pitches is to write how the harp is to be tuned. The tuning pedals are arranged D C B / E F G A (left / right foot), where each note may be flatted, natural or sharped.

Harp glissando 2.JPG (15.77 KiB) Viewed 5101 times

I realize that if you want the rhythm of each individual note defined you may have to write them out in full. This was just an apropos.

[The Engraver]

[quote="Anders Hedelin" post_id=73469 time=1582135758 user_id=19723]
Well...
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Thank You a lot.
A last info: this way works even if I export the score in midi file? Because I need it, and work it in Cubase. The midi file export every note of the glissando? Or only the first and the last note?

[Anders Hedelin]

Glad you appreciated the idea, The Engraver.
I'm not much of a midi user, but I'm sure there are others who could give advice on that.