Problem 'Articolazioni' (Smart shape tool when PRINT)

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Post by boldest06 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:15 pm

Hello, thank you for your support!
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Why does this happen? (also in Finale 26)
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Post by miker » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:35 pm

What happens if you print from the PDF?
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Post by boldest06 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:07 pm

miker wrote:
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What happens if you print from the PDF?
Shows the same error.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:16 pm

This should be a well-known error. "Bug", even. Together with expressions printing too low, or lower than in the screen view of Finale. I've learnt to compensate for this when placing expressions and hairpins, but it's not by any means optimal. (You can clearly see this in the OP's examples: all the graphic formats show a placement that is too far to the left for hairpins, and too low for dynamics, when printed!)
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:34 pm

The same goes for tuplet figures - lower when printed than in screen view. If I were a beginner using Finale I would despair. Now I just wait, tapping my fingers.

As I said, I've learnt how to compensate for the displacements of Finale when printing. But it's a shame that a music-notation program, that is essentially a graphic program, would still be this primitive.
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Post by boldest06 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:09 pm

Anders Hedelin wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:34 pm
displacements of Finale when printing.
Thanks you so much for explaining that.
But why? In the PDF/TIFF it looks good and correct.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:20 pm

The best I can do is to demonstrate the problem:
Finale screen.JPG
Finale print.JPG
The second one is an Adobe PDF "print".
Let someone more versatile in the mysteries of Finale programming explain it!
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:52 pm

And here is a sample of Finale's own Graphics Export, recommended by members here. No comment needed.
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Post by boldest06 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:09 pm

Anders Hedelin wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:52 pm
And here is a sample of Finale's own Graphics Export, recommended by members here. No comment needed.Finale Graphics Export.JPG
WOW! Then, no solutions?
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:14 pm

boldest06 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:09 pm
WOW! Then, no solutions?
Well, I'm sorry, but I see no other possibilities so far, else than correcting it manually. Maybe someone can step in with an unexpected solution.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:45 pm

To go back to your initial question, boldest06, I would personally allow some extra space before opening hairpins. That's not ideal, but as things are...
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Post by John Ruggero » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:56 pm

Very strange. I must live a charmed life, or need to have another eye exam, but I have never seen such behavior, thank goodness.

I just checked the big project that I am completing that has very intricate placement of dynamics, pedaling, fingerings etc. and everything is where it should be when I compare the screen view, the print version directly from Finale, and the final version which is PDFs produced from within Finale placed in Indesign.

I must be misunderstanding the problem.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:04 pm

John Ruggero wrote:
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I must be misunderstanding the problem.
Not necessarily. The problem is there, undeniably, with some of us. It's a mystery why it isn't for all of us.
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Post by John Ruggero » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:19 pm

Anders, I just updated my profile and notice one big difference in our equipment. Could that be the explanation?
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:30 pm

It would be of help to to know how you produce your pdf files, John, because as explained, I , and others, have problems with that.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:32 pm

Maybe the difference in equipment is the reason why.
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Post by John Ruggero » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:35 pm

Anders, I have produced the PDFs both ways: with the graphics tool or through the print menu. No problems either way. I used to go the eps to Acrobat distiller route, but no longer.
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Post by boldest06 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:07 pm

John Ruggero wrote:
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I have produced the PDFs both ways: with the graphics tool or through the print menu. No problems either way.
Thanks you!
For me too! Only when I send to print! My printer is the problem? Hardware?
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Post by John Ruggero » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:11 pm

HP LaserJet 1022.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:49 pm

I too have a HP laserjet printer, but I don't think the problem is there. Unfortunately my old Mac no longer works so I can't compare with that. I just can't accept the differences between screen view and pdf's etc. regardless of equipment and platform.
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Post by boldest06 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:56 pm

Anders Hedelin wrote:
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I just can't accept the differences between screen view and pdf's etc. regardless of equipment and platform.
Exactly! Help us, please!
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Post by motet » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:38 pm

These differences seem slight to me, but I've never noticed a problem. I print via CutePDF, which uses GNU Ghostscript. Finale's PDF export is known to be terrible.

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Post by boldest06 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:33 am

motet wrote:
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These differences seem slight to me, but I've never noticed a problem.
For me the PDF/TIFF (from Finale 2009/26) is correct but not the print.
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Post by motet » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:30 pm

Ah, I understand your picture now. So the print is wrong whether you print from PDF or Finale? Can you attach a file with the "pp <"? It might have to do with how the smart shape is drawn.

I don't understand Anders's pictures. They're a different scale, but look the same to me.

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Post by Anders Hedelin » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:57 pm

Motet. OK, just now I couldn't reproduce the problem with the opening hairpins, but if you can't see the difference between Finale screen and PDF placements in my earlier examples, despite the minor difference in scale, you need your eyes tested. It's a big trouble when you have a crowded page which allows for nothing extra vertically.
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