Problem 'Articolazioni' (Smart shape tool when PRINT)
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This should be a well-known error. "Bug", even. Together with expressions printing too low, or lower than in the screen view of Finale. I've learnt to compensate for this when placing expressions and hairpins, but it's not by any means optimal. (You can clearly see this in the OP's examples: all the graphic formats show a placement that is too far to the left for hairpins, and too low for dynamics, when printed!)
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The same goes for tuplet figures - lower when printed than in screen view. If I were a beginner using Finale I would despair. Now I just wait, tapping my fingers.
As I said, I've learnt how to compensate for the displacements of Finale when printing. But it's a shame that a music-notation program, that is essentially a graphic program, would still be this primitive.
As I said, I've learnt how to compensate for the displacements of Finale when printing. But it's a shame that a music-notation program, that is essentially a graphic program, would still be this primitive.
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Thanks you so much for explaining that.
But why? In the PDF/TIFF it looks good and correct.
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The best I can do is to demonstrate the problem:
Let someone more versatile in the mysteries of Finale programming explain it!
The second one is an Adobe PDF "print".Let someone more versatile in the mysteries of Finale programming explain it!
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And here is a sample of Finale's own Graphics Export, recommended by members here. No comment needed.
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WOW! Then, no solutions?Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:52 pmAnd here is a sample of Finale's own Graphics Export, recommended by members here. No comment needed.Finale Graphics Export.JPG
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Well, I'm sorry, but I see no other possibilities so far, else than correcting it manually. Maybe someone can step in with an unexpected solution.
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To go back to your initial question, boldest06, I would personally allow some extra space before opening hairpins. That's not ideal, but as things are...
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Very strange. I must live a charmed life, or need to have another eye exam, but I have never seen such behavior, thank goodness.
I just checked the big project that I am completing that has very intricate placement of dynamics, pedaling, fingerings etc. and everything is where it should be when I compare the screen view, the print version directly from Finale, and the final version which is PDFs produced from within Finale placed in Indesign.
I must be misunderstanding the problem.
I just checked the big project that I am completing that has very intricate placement of dynamics, pedaling, fingerings etc. and everything is where it should be when I compare the screen view, the print version directly from Finale, and the final version which is PDFs produced from within Finale placed in Indesign.
I must be misunderstanding the problem.
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Not necessarily. The problem is there, undeniably, with some of us. It's a mystery why it isn't for all of us.
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Anders, I just updated my profile and notice one big difference in our equipment. Could that be the explanation?
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It would be of help to to know how you produce your pdf files, John, because as explained, I , and others, have problems with that.
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Maybe the difference in equipment is the reason why.
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Anders, I have produced the PDFs both ways: with the graphics tool or through the print menu. No problems either way. I used to go the eps to Acrobat distiller route, but no longer.
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Thanks you!John Ruggero wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:35 pmI have produced the PDFs both ways: with the graphics tool or through the print menu. No problems either way.
For me too! Only when I send to print! My printer is the problem? Hardware?
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HP LaserJet 1022.
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I too have a HP laserjet printer, but I don't think the problem is there. Unfortunately my old Mac no longer works so I can't compare with that. I just can't accept the differences between screen view and pdf's etc. regardless of equipment and platform.
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Exactly! Help us, please!Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:49 pmI just can't accept the differences between screen view and pdf's etc. regardless of equipment and platform.
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Ah, I understand your picture now. So the print is wrong whether you print from PDF or Finale? Can you attach a file with the "pp <"? It might have to do with how the smart shape is drawn.
I don't understand Anders's pictures. They're a different scale, but look the same to me.
I don't understand Anders's pictures. They're a different scale, but look the same to me.
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Motet. OK, just now I couldn't reproduce the problem with the opening hairpins, but if you can't see the difference between Finale screen and PDF placements in my earlier examples, despite the minor difference in scale, you need your eyes tested. It's a big trouble when you have a crowded page which allows for nothing extra vertically.
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