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A weird bug has developed in this project (which consists of numerous documents: some of my stems are automatically downard though they shouldn't be. This only seems to happen with notes with an articulation on them, but there's nothing in any of the articulation definitions that holds any clues. I've tried making sure that the stem setting is Default, but no change.

See for example page 9, bottom of the page, the violas, cellos and basses. Also the timpani.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0w5xlur9d7tt ... .musx?dl=0

You asked this on Facebook and I guessed the answer (correctly, I think).

There are hidden notes to effect the tremolo playback, and these are causing the stems to flip. You sometimes see this happening during playback. I think Human Playback normally puts these in and then removes them when it's done. For some reason it didn't clean up--perhaps it crashed at some point? If you check View/Show hidden notes and rests, you'll see a mess. I'm sure there's a way of removing it, but I don't know offhand. There used to be a plug-in to insert or remove human playback data. Maybe someone else will know.

what happens if you select the measures (or the whole piece for that matter) and do Utilities/Stem Direction and select UP, then immediately select USE DEFAULT DIR... ?

The hidden tremolo-playback notes seem to be all in voice 2. To test my theory I repeatedly pressed the Delete key in Speedy entry until the stem direction returned to normal as you see in the first measure. Perhaps there is a way to delete all voice 2 data.

fratveno wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:14 am

what happens if you select the measures (or the whole piece for that matter) and do Utilities/Stem Direction and select UP, then immediately select USE DEFAULT DIR... ?

This seems to work! Though I think it would be better to get rid of those playback notes.

Fratveno: this worked! Thanks.

Motet, sorry, I think I missed your response on FB. Fratveno's method is faster, though if the problem recurs I'll take your road.

Whatever works. I'm curious, though, where those playback notes came from. Normally, they're inserted right befor playback, then removed right after.

motet wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:10 pm

Whatever works. I'm curious, though, where those playback notes came from. Normally, they're inserted right befor playback, then removed right after.

I've noticed that normally that's how it works. However, sometimes those playback notes persist even after playback stops.

motet wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:10 pm

Whatever works. I'm curious, though, where those playback notes came from. Normally, they're inserted right befor playback, then removed right after.

This was a glitch in older versions of Finale when you used HumanPlayback.
The file would occasionaly get saved with those "playback notes" even if you had not actually saved the file.
I haven't seen this glitch in neither version 25 nor 26.

How did you remove the playback notes?

Edit/Clear Selected Items.../Midi Data (ONLY) will erase them. (When I intially opened the file in 26 there are no hidden notes present)

That doesn't work in the document in question here. These are actually hidden notes that have been inserted.

That's Odd, it worked here. Will have another look later...

MIDI data is, well, MIDI data, not notes. On the View menu, check "Show hidden notes and rests" and you'll see them.

I usually turn HP off, but I seem to recall on the old forums discussions of "Apply HP" to apply it and keep it, and some way of removing it as well.

How about this: MIDI TOOL: Apply Human Playback/CLEAR ITEMS/APPLY then Cancel. When back in the score do CONTROL-D ... gone?

Gone, yes! Thanks.

However, the stems are still pointing down afterwards, and Utilities/Stem direction/Default doesn't fix it. If I do your Up followed by Default trick, it appears to, but investigating with Edit Frame, the difference is that after your trick the flag Up/Down is checked. The documentation says

Up/Down. If the Freeze Stem check box is selected, this check box indicates whether the currently displayed entry’s stem has been frozen up or down. If Up/Down is selected, the stem is frozen up; if not, it’s frozen down.

but Freeze Stem is not checked. Indeed, though, the stem is frozen up. If I transpose the note up two octaves, it's still up.

The culprit instead seems to be a flag called V2 Launch. This means

V2 Launch. If this check box is selected, a second voice (V2) has been "launched" from the currently displayed entry.

The playback notes were in voice 2, but getting rid of them didn't clear this flag, and it makes the stem go down for some reason. So that would seem to be a bug. If that could be cleared after getting rid of the playback notes, instead of your Up+Default trick, that would fix it the right way.

Any suggestions on what the 2104.5 version of this might be? I can't find any APPLY HUMAN PLAYBACK option under Midi, or a clear data.

I wonder if this has anything to do with me utilizing Noteperformer, which required a bit of finagling in Human Playback to get it to not play all notes short and hammered.

It's the MIDI tool, not the MIDI/Audio menu. Tools/Advanced tools/MIDI.

It looks like perhaps you used this tool to create Human Playback to begin with. I know nothing of Note Performer--is that what it does, or has you do?

I've distilled this bug to its essence.

Create this: then use the MIDI tool to apply Human Playback: which with the rests hidden looks like this: then use the MIDI tool to clear Human Playback. You're left with this, which defies Utilities/Stem Direction/Use Default Direction (you can freeze it up): The bug is that it leaves the flag V2 Launch set. To fix it, as I said above, you need a way to clear those V2 Launch flags.

Edit: I looks like copying the measure onto itself fixes the flag.

My warranty has expired, so I don't think I can report bugs. If someone could report what I posted in the post before this, that would be great. Be sure to tell them how to reproduce it from scratch like I've done--that seems to be the only way they'll consider looking at it.