Flipped tie bug

[jjm]

Hello all,

I'm wondering if anyone has a fix for this tie direction problem. I entered music in two layers on a single staff, and then copied one of the layers to a new staff. The new staff now has ties frozen in the wrong direction (see attached). I know that I can use command-F to flip the ties (which, by the way, sometimes works and sometimes does nothing--forcing me to have to use the drop down speedy entry menu to flip the tie), but even though it fixes the problem on the note that begins the tie, it does not fix the note on which the tie ends (see attached, where you can see the approach note in the speedy frame shows the tie in the wrong direction). This is a problem when a tie begins on one system and ends on another.

I have tried to clear tie alterations from the edit menu, and have also tried the "edit frame" solution described here: https://www.rpmseattle.com/of_note/fina ... ed-voices/

The "clear" function does nothing, and Robert Puff's solution does not fix the tied-to issue.

Any help is appreciated.

Justin

[jjm]

Thought I should post a Finale file here, too, because this behavior does not ALWAYS occur in every situation. Forgive some of the funny placement of time signatures, etc., as I quickly changed some fonts back to default but did not reset positioning.

[motet]

The Edit Frame solution should work--perhaps you're not looking at the right entry.

Easiest is probably to use Tools/Advanced tools/Special tools/Tie. Click the measure with the flipped tie, click in the tie's handle, and press Ctrl-F to flip it back. Do this in Scroll view so you don't have to worry about ties spanning system breaks.

[zuill]

This file definitely has some legacy data somewhere interfering with proper tie behavior. I've done quite a bit of checking and can't seem to find what's up. I'll look at it again later.

Zuill

[zuill]

Well, I couldn't wait. I still don't know what affected the lower staff. However, using Jari's JW Staff Polyphony plugin, I selected the staff and chose Split From Layers. I couldn't see anything in other layers. However, since deleting other layers didn't work, I was getting desperate. After applying the plugin, the ties now work as expected (at least it seems that way).

Zuill

[motet]

The Flip Tie flag in the frame is set, as if it was flipped manually.

[zuill]

That's the problem. It is behaving as if the Flip Tie is irrelevant.

Zuill

P.S.: Applying JW plugin also fixes the upside-down tie at the beginning of the second system of the upper staff.

[jjm]

Zuill: The Split From Layers thing works great! Thank you very much for that.

I did find that unchecking the flip tie in "edit frame" on the note receiving the tie does work--which seems backward to me. But I ended up doing this for about 300 notes one at a time. Ugh. From now on, I'm using JW Staff Polyphony (one of my very favorite plugins).

Thanks, all.

[motet]

I'm glad there's a global solution. "Flip tie" isn't backwards. It's a flag meaning the tie has been flipped from normal, rather than an action to perform. Unchecking it means it's no longer flipped.

Can you describe again what steps led up to this? I'm happy to report it to MakeMusic.

[jjm]

I believe I entered music in layer one on a staff, and then entered music into layer two. I then copied both layers onto a new staff. Next I deleted the notes from layer two on the first staff, and then deleted the notes in layer one on the second staff. The ties on the second staff remained flipped. However, this does not ALWAYS happen. In fact, if I try to recreate it in a new document, the ties do not stay frozen, so there must be some other action along the way that causes the problem--and I don't know what that action might be. It's possible I had entered some articulations before separating the layers into separate staves. I may have also used "copy layer 1 into layer 2" and vice-versa to clear the unwanted layers, as opposed to deleting the notes one at a time with speedy entry. I wish I had better info. I'll make a point to look for it and track my motions more carefully next time.

[zuill]

If you use the plugin, it can simplify a lot of the work.

Zuill