How to enter flat 9 chord
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Hi, I just started working with Finale v26, and I have a slight problem. I'm typing in chords manually, and I can't figure out how to enter a 7 flat 9 chord. In Finale 2014 I would just type in:
F7(b9) and it would appear, but now the b doesn't change to the flat sign. Can't find how to do it in the manual... All help is welcome!
Thanks,
Rob
F7(b9) and it would appear, but now the b doesn't change to the flat sign. Can't find how to do it in the manual... All help is welcome!
Thanks,
Rob
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Just a wild guess:
1) You are using the Jazz font, right?
2) And in
Document Options - Fonts > Chord: Suffix
you have the font JazzText, right?
3) And in
Document Options - Fonts > Chord: Alteration
you have the font JazzText, right?
What you are doing wrong, is in step 3).
As font for Alteration you should use a music font - e. g. the Jazz font.
The font JazzText is a text font, not a music font.
1) You are using the Jazz font, right?
2) And in
Document Options - Fonts > Chord: Suffix
you have the font JazzText, right?
3) And in
Document Options - Fonts > Chord: Alteration
you have the font JazzText, right?
What you are doing wrong, is in step 3).
As font for Alteration you should use a music font - e. g. the Jazz font.
The font JazzText is a text font, not a music font.
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In this file, F7(b9) does respond to typing that in. However, F7b9 does not, even though it is there in the suffixes.
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Back to Rob's original post, if you know the suffix number you can type that, so for instance (and your number may not be the same)
F:17 gives you F7(b9)
F:67 gives you F7b9
For suffixes that you use a lot it is handy to have the numbers taped to the wall above your monitor.
::: Bill
F:17 gives you F7(b9)
F:67 gives you F7b9
For suffixes that you use a lot it is handy to have the numbers taped to the wall above your monitor.
::: Bill
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That is of course one way. However, entering F7b9 should work as expected. It doesn't. If I create a new one, it does respond to typing F7b9, however, the included one doesn't. Quite odd.
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To further explore this, in v26, for sure, they tried to overhaul chords. However, as an example, with the Broadway Copyist file, they chose to use the Finale Copyist Text font for the flat in the F7(b9) chord. The flat in that font does not use the same slot as the Music Fonts (Maestro, Broadway Copyist, and Jazz) do. Thus, trying to type F7(b9) won't work. You can create your own suffix, using the Music font instead of the Text font, and the b will be recognized as a flat. In their attempt to "help" us, they royally messed things up. This has been MakeMusic's MO for a long time, and this is another example of what they have done which has added to users' frustrations. I suppose you could complain to them, but I think that appeal will fall on deaf ears, as they seem to know better about what we want instead of us.
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My take is it's simple incompetence. It continues to worry me. I keep telling myself that tthe current owner will eventually tire of it, and there is enough inherent value in Finale that it will be sold to someone who is willing to invest in good people.
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I just inspected the Library for the Expanded Times Suffixes with the same error as in the Broadway copyist file. I think they probably had Elementary grade students doing their work for them, possibly as a cost saving measure. On the other hand, they probably would have done a better job, so maybe it's the regular programmers at non-work again.
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I think it's poor management and QA. The programmers made it work for that one situation. But no one thought outside that narrow box. I also wonder if they rely too much on beta testing, which does not substitute for real testing. Beta testers will use Finale as they usually do, which is a help, but you really need to systematically go through all you can think of (try all the fonts, in this case), make sure all the features and plug-ins still work, etc. You can't expect beta testers to do that.
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That might be the case. However, there are bugs that have been reported for years that have gone unfixed. Beta testers aren't needed in that case, except to test the "fixed" version of the program after the bugs are fixed. in that case, MakeMusic should alert the testers to the fixes and have them check out the behavior as to the bug-fixed version.
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I agree with Motet. And Zuill. It’s incompetence, and a total disregard for customer usage and feedback. But hey, why should they care? They’re only in it for the money, and a big payout (or tax write-off) when us old farts die off, and the new kids go with Dorico.
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You'd think, for example, that fixing the temp file bug that causes work to be lost because it can't be saved would be in their best interest. I wonder how many support tickets users have filed over this, and it's got to make people very angry to lose a day's work. I continue to see people complain about this on Facebook and get the advice to ditch Finale for Dorico or Sibelius. As a career software engineer I can tell you that the fix for this is simple (leave open or otherwise lock temp files until they're truly no longer needed, which will prevent the OS from deleting them). The fix should take a day at most, and there's really nothing to test. The bug has been around for several years.
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I used Finale for many years before ever creating a designated temp folder. I didn't have problems then either. I'm not sure why I started using a designated folder. Maybe you suggested it?
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I don't remember. I think the temp file bug is more likely to occur if you leave Finale open for a long time. The bug first appeared maybe with Finale 2011? Again, I don't remember exactly.