Unwanted 2nd ending bracket at end of system

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Post by mark carlson » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:23 pm

In the flute part (the only part) of the attached, movement 3, at the end of the 2nd system is a 1st ending measure. The 2nd ending measure is, of course, at the beginning of the next system. That should be clear enough, but there is what you might call a cautionary 2nd ending bracket following the 1st ending measure. It's just a bit of the bracket and is, in my opinion, not only unnecessary but unwanted.

Is there any way I can get rid of it?

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Post by Bill Stevens » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:30 pm

Using the Selection Tool or the Repeat Tool, select it and delete it.

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Post by mark carlson » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:37 pm

Bill Stevens wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:30 pm
Using the Selection Tool or the Repeat Tool, select it and delete it.

Bill
Unfortunately, when I do that, using either the Selection Tool or the Repeat Tool, it also deletes the repeat sign at the end of m. 11.

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Post by Bill Stevens » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:43 pm

I think you can grab the handle and move it off the page.

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Post by mark carlson » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:46 pm

Bill Stevens wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:43 pm
I think you can grab the handle and move it off the page.

Bill
You are so right! Thank you!

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Post by miker » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:52 pm

I'm not sure what you're looking at. I've attached a screen shot of what I see. What are you trying to get rid of?
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Post by mark carlson » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:23 pm

You're looking at the score, rather than at the flute part.

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Post by miker » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:56 pm

I’m looking at what you posted. Since I don’t use parts, can you post the flute part showing the error?
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Post by motet » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:22 pm

Mike, just go to Document/Edit part.

Remove the first and second ending at the spot and recreate them.

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Post by miker » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:30 pm

Thanks, Motet.
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Post by motet » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:25 pm

I haven't used endings much, but several years ago I needed them and spent a good amount of time fiddling with them, since they look terrible by default. I wish I'd take notes. I think Mark's stray bracket may be a piece of one of the endings--there are several handles to fool with and I could see something getting turned inside out. Easiest just to replace them, I think, as I said.

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Post by mark carlson » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:12 am

motet wrote:
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I haven't used endings much, but several years ago I needed them and spent a good amount of time fiddling with them, since they look terrible by default. I wish I'd take notes. I think Mark's stray bracket may be a piece of one of the endings--there are several handles to fool with and I could see something getting turned inside out. Easiest just to replace them, I think, as I said.
Thanks! I vaguely remember how incredibly difficult they were back in the olden days; it was almost better to draw them in by hand!

I was able to drag the unwanted remnant of a bracket off the page, but next time, I'll follow your suggestion.

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Post by zuill » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:12 am

That little piece is the first piece of the ending. First endings in Finale have 2 parts. Select all the handles and press backspace to return the brackets to there default place and adjustment. Than adjust them as needed. That little piece will now be at the beginning of the measure, not the end. A first ending needs the hook at the beginning to delineate the start of the ending measure. Oh, I see you're on a Mac, so backspace might not be the key for Mac. But I'm sure there is a key that returns the bracket to its default state. You can right click and choose the option to reset the bracket to its default position.

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Post by motet » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:47 am

I find adjusting the brackets manually with the handles to be crazy-making. Just a few tweaks to the default endings settings can improve the appearance tremendously.

Out of the box:
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Better:
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Post by motet » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:50 am

I guess the default Inset for End of Bracket = 0 looks better when the system breaks between the two endings. Ideally there should be two settings, one for breaking between endings and one for not, especially since things might break differently in different parts.

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Post by Bill Stevens » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:15 am

Motet,

Thanks for the suggestion on the Repeat Endings settings. I have been fussing with dragging those handles for decades.

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Post by zuill » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:03 pm

Motet,

You're using 2014.5, I believe. They added another option for the position of the ending bracket in v25. Attached is an image from v26 that shows what I mean. It simplifies a bit of the process.

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Post by robertstiffler » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:13 pm

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This idea may be musically incorrect. The word Coda as shown, may cause a reader to go to the Coda after completing the 1st ending. I avoid that by putting a double bar at the end of the measure marked coda. Us old folks need all the help we can get to quickly understand the "road map" of the piece we are playing.
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Post by motet » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:59 pm

zuill wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:03 pm
Motet,

You're using 2014.5, I believe. They added another option for the position of the ending bracket in v25. Attached is an image from v26 that shows what I mean. It simplifies a bit of the process.

Zuill
Thanks. That's a slight improvement, I guess, in that it saves you from figuring out "Insert for End of Bracket," but hasn't added any functionality. Is "Thin Inner Barline" the default now?

It's odd that, in 2014.5 and previous, at least, that the start of the bracket doesn't quite line up with the barline by default (it's off by about 2 EVPU).

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Post by miker » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:15 pm

robertstiffler wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:13 pm
Finale Folks;
This idea may be musically incorrect. The word Coda as shown, may cause a reader to go to the Coda after completing the 1st ending. I avoid that by putting a double bar at the end of the measure marked coda. Us old folks need all the help we can get to quickly understand the "road map" of the piece we are playing.
Bob Stiffler
That’s why, in barbershop scores, we use things like (to meas. xx) and “2nd time to CODA” marks.
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Post by motet » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:38 pm

On the other hand, what sense would it be to jump to the coda before repeats or other music has all been played?

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Post by zuill » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:46 pm

For me, the most confusing aspect of the file we examined is the lack of the down-hook on the front of the First Ending. To me, that is a recipe for disaster. My 3 cents worth.

Zuill

P.S.: I quickly revised the file to demonstrate my preferences. I didn't completely fine tune things, as there are so many other things in the file which need fine tuning. however, i wanted to at least show the importance of the front hook, in my estimation.
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