Custom stems with Articulations Bug

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Post by Kobozo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:27 am

I'm writing a piece that requires a tremolo mark to be placed on a custom stem. I'll place the tremolo mark on the custom stem, and it will look fine in Finale. But when I export it to PDF, the tremolo is suddenly shifted over quite far to the left. Is anyone else having this issue? Or does anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? I've shown in the attachment where the tremolo mark is and where it is supposed to go with an arrow. Thanks.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:47 pm

How did you notate the rhythm of the eighth notes in ms. 51 and 52? It looks as if you did something unusual that Finale doesn't recognize.
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Post by Kobozo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:05 pm

Oops. Ignore m. 52.

It’s just two eighth notes, but it’s two eighth notes in each of the three present layers. I’ll show a picture of it in Finale which shows the three different layers as well as what it’s supposed to look like.
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Post by Anders Hedelin » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:26 pm

There seems to be a problem with the beam as well in the PDF. What I would try is to enter the eighth notes only (and in one layer only) and then add the extra noteheads and the split stems as expressions. Possibly safer.
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Post by miker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:53 pm

What does this doubling of notes signify? How is it played?
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Post by Kobozo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:01 pm

Anders Hedelin I think I’m gonna save that idea as a last result since I’d like to have the actual notes. But still a great idea. Thanks!

miker it’s for violin. It’s a triple stop where the G and D strings play A’s while you also play the open A string. I got the idea from Berio’s Sequenza VIII for violin in which he does something similar. Sheet music for that is on Scribd if you’re curious.

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Post by miker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:04 pm

That explains it. Thanks!
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Post by Michel R E » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:14 pm

Kobozo wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:01 pm
miker it’s for violin. It’s a triple stop where the G and D strings play A’s while you also play the open A string. I got the idea from Berio’s Sequenza VIII for violin in which he does something similar. Sheet music for that is on Scribd if you’re curious.
what Berio does is a triplestop, with one note attacking first then the other two notes play simultaneously.
the tremolo you've written is unplayable. the bow cannot cover three strings simultaneously like that.
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Post by David Ward » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:16 pm

Out of curiosity I've just listened to the Berio as played by Irvine Arditti. It's an interesting effect, but any attempt at a tremolo would mean the bow would have to be rapidly raised and lowered so first the G & D then the D & A strings were being sounded in rapid alternation while the bow also moved back and forth for the tremolo. I suspect that might be rather a challenge even for Irvine Arditti. Does that mean it's impossible? I don't know.

(I have a complete recording of all the sequenzas, which I was given by the dedicatee of Sequenza XIV cellist Rohan de Saram, for whom I've written some pieces including a concerto.)
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Post by Kobozo » Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:19 am

David Ward that is incredible! That must have been really wonderful gift to receive from him of all people.

As for the actual technique, I'm fairly certain it is possible. Though as I'm not a violinist, I'm working with a professional player to make sure everything is doable. But if she ends up saying it can't been done then I'll just remove the tremolo and that should make it a little more possible.

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