O/T-ish: harp pedals
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- Michel R E
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How do others here keep track of harp pedals while working? it gets a bit tedious and frustrating to mark pedals on a piece of paper, then cross out, rewrite, cross out, rewrite, ad nauseam.
I am in the final moments of completing the score of a ballet that includes a somewhat involved harp part, and I had such a hard time keeping track of which pedals were in what position at what measure. When you're talking about multiple hundreds of pages of score it does get tedious.
I am in the final moments of completing the score of a ballet that includes a somewhat involved harp part, and I had such a hard time keeping track of which pedals were in what position at what measure. When you're talking about multiple hundreds of pages of score it does get tedious.
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XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
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My experience is that harp players ignore your markings and work it out for themselves.
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- Michel R E
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it's not so much to write the pedals in, but to keep track so that what you're writing is playable!
I mean, you don't want to arrive and suddenly have 6/7 pedals to reset.
I mean, you don't want to arrive and suddenly have 6/7 pedals to reset.
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XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
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- David Ward
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I wish I knew the answer, but I agree with this.
With computer software it's easy to offer two versions of the part: one with pedalling and one without.Michel R E wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:42 amit's not so much to write the pedals in, but to keep track so that what you're writing is playable!
I mean, you don't want to arrive and suddenly have 6/7 pedals to reset.
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If only calculating harp pedals and adding the markings to the part automatically was the kind of thing that notation software could do for you.Michel R E wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:24 pmHow do others here keep track of harp pedals while working? it gets a bit tedious and frustrating to mark pedals on a piece of paper, then cross out, rewrite, cross out, rewrite, ad nauseam.
https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/do ... -pedaling/
- Michel R E
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is that the page of paper with seven sliding strips of paper that indicate the pedal positions?
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XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
- Michel R E
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it turns out my significant other overheard me bitching and moaning about how tedious harp pedals were to keep track of...
I now find myself with a nice little Android app on my tablet that does exactly what those do.
for me the advantage is it's on my tablet, so no need to alt-tab back and forth in and out of Finale.
I now find myself with a nice little Android app on my tablet that does exactly what those do.
for me the advantage is it's on my tablet, so no need to alt-tab back and forth in and out of Finale.
User of Finale since version 3.0 on Windows.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
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One important (but often overlooked) thing which helps harpists is remembering to add naturals when pedal is returned from flat/sharp position. Harpist, who is sightreading (think film or similar gigs) or reading part through 1st time to mark pedalling, sees the natural and moves/marks pedal accordingly. Note with no "courtesy" natural might get skipped (especially in busy passages) and thus - wrong notes. Pedal diagrams are IMHO only needed in glissandi (to be sure of the tuning - only really needed if pedals change but for safety still wise to have) if *all accidentals are diligently marked*. Every harpist has its own way of marking pedals/diagrams and positioning them so usually helpful pedal marks by composer are erased with white-out pen and scribbled over...