Setting parts format in advance never works
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Every time I prepare to make a set of parts, I go to the Document menu, Page Format, Parts and set up everything exactly as I want: page margins, system margins, system reduction, page percentage, etc. Then I recheck it when I generate the parts to make sure it's all set as I wish it to be. And then I open the parts, only to find that the page margins and the system margins have changed; until today, the percentage reduction and staff reduction would also change, but today those stayed as I set them.
Does anyone know why this happens and how I can avoid it continuing to happen? It's irritating and a waste of time to have to redo these format settings for each part, one at a time.
Thanks,
Mark
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Does anyone know why this happens and how I can avoid it continuing to happen? It's irritating and a waste of time to have to redo these format settings for each part, one at a time.
Thanks,
Mark
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I have never experienced that.mark carlson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:05 pmEvery time I prepare to make a set of parts, I go to the Document menu, Page Format, Parts and set up everything exactly as I want: page margins, system margins, system reduction, page percentage, etc. Then I recheck it when I generate the parts to make sure it's all set as I wish it to be. And then I open the parts, only to find that the page margins and the system margins have changed; until today, the percentage reduction and staff reduction would also change, but today those stayed as I set them …
For me, parts are always generated according to the settings in Page Format for Parts.
Could you attach here a Finale document that gives you the problem?
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The cause is unclear until we can look at the file.
In the meantime, in the Layout menu, redefine pages (parts only) to apply the parameters of the Page Format -> Pages.
In the meantime, in the Layout menu, redefine pages (parts only) to apply the parameters of the Page Format -> Pages.
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I just tried a movement from scratch, and just like going to the mechanic, it all turned out perfectly *except* for the distance between systems, which I set at 0. These are not 0. But otherwise, it's fine.Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:23 pmI have never experienced that.mark carlson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:05 pmEvery time I prepare to make a set of parts, I go to the Document menu, Page Format, Parts and set up everything exactly as I want: page margins, system margins, system reduction, page percentage, etc. Then I recheck it when I generate the parts to make sure it's all set as I wish it to be. And then I open the parts, only to find that the page margins and the system margins have changed; until today, the percentage reduction and staff reduction would also change, but today those stayed as I set them …
For me, parts are always generated according to the settings in Page Format for Parts.
Could you attach here a Finale document that gives you the problem?
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Are you pressing the Generate Parts button after changing the format? When you create a document with the set-up wizard, it will create parts, too. Unless you recreate them (which Generate Parts should do), they will have whatever format the wizard gave them.
I always delete all parts at document creation time, then only create them after entering all the music and it's time to work on parts.
I always delete all parts at document creation time, then only create them after entering all the music and it's time to work on parts.
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There are no parts in your file, just a score.
If I generate them, indeed, they don't match your Page Format -> Parts parameters. Redefine pages fixes it, as I suggested.
If I generate them, indeed, they don't match your Page Format -> Parts parameters. Redefine pages fixes it, as I suggested.
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Also, the distance between systems is not set to zero. Maybe we are looking at 2 different settings. I'm looking at the settings for Parts. And, yes, there are no parts.
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Yes, I am setting the page format once I am ready to actually work with the parts, and then I press Generate Parts.motet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:37 pmAre you pressing the Generate Parts button after changing the format? When you create a document with the set-up wizard, it will create parts, too. Unless you recreate them (which Generate Parts should do), they will have whatever format the wizard gave them.
I always delete all parts at document creation time, then only create them after entering all the music and it's time to work on parts.
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Apologies. I attached the wrong file with a similar name.
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No, I meant this:
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... inale-etc-
It will wipe out all your program customizations (but not file-specific ones). Keep a copy of the preferences file in case this doesn't fix it--then you can put it back and won't have to reset everything.
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... inale-etc-
It will wipe out all your program customizations (but not file-specific ones). Keep a copy of the preferences file in case this doesn't fix it--then you can put it back and won't have to reset everything.
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Have you tried michelp's suggestion to redefine pages after you made the settings? By the way you can redefine all pages in all parts in one go: Page Layout > Redefine Pages > Selected Pages of Selected Parts/Score > Redefine: All Parts.
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I'm guessing that if those of us using Windows aren't having a problem with this, maybe there is something that only happens on a Mac.
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I haven't yet. I'll have to wait until the next project, but I don't think I knew about this before.Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:45 pmHave you tried michelp's suggestion to redefine pages after you made the settings? By the way you can redefine all pages in all parts in one go: Page Layout > Redefine Pages > Selected Pages of Selected Parts/Score > Redefine: All Parts.
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Ah, darn! Before I saw this, I decided to recreate my preferences for page layout, but I honestly could not figure out how to do it. So in the meantime, I tried, and now Finale is sending me an error message that it can't open a new page because there are no libraries loaded and I need to load them first. How did I delete the libraries just by setting up (or trying to set up) a new file?motet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:03 pmNo, I meant this:
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... inale-etc-
It will wipe out all your program customizations (but not file-specific ones). Keep a copy of the preferences file in case this doesn't fix it--then you can put it back and won't have to reset everything.
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Did you create a new file, or was this with the file you posted above? What exactly did you do trying to redo the page format? When does the error occur? What happens if you open the file above or some other file you already have?