copy/paste guitar notes into tablature - in parts

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Post by meb » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:40 am

I have a score with about 12 instruments, including both guitar and tab.
The tab staff is hidden because I don't want to see the tab staff in the score.
For easy visibility and editing the tab, I created a separate part -- Guitar and Tablature only.
I want to edit this "Guitar +Tab" part separately. (I.e., by selecting Document/Edit Part).
In particular, I'd like to be able to copy my guitar part to the tab part.
Finale won't let me do this.

I can copy, paste, drag just fine IF I am editing the full score. In Part Editing, the copy/paste function is not available to the Tablature staff, only to the Guitar staff.

Using Document/Edit Part to edit Guitar + Tab staves:
I can only enter notes using Speedy (which is not speedy, btw.)
I cannot enter notes into the Tab staff using Simple Entry.
I cannot drag from the Guitar staff to the Tab Staff.
I cannot select, copy, from Guitar, and paste to Tab.


Why can I drag, copy, paste to the Tablature in the Full Score but not in the Parts? I don't have this problem with other parts (e.g., I also have three woodwinds which I have gathered into a single "woodwind" part. I can edit those any way I want.)
Is there some option to allow me to edit freely, just as I can do from Document/Edit Score?

Thanks for any help.
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Post by zuill » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:13 am

Quite strange. You can't even paste into the TAB only part after toggling to it from the score. I can't recall that there would be a setting anywhere that would control that. Would you file a report with MakeMusic on this? Maybe they don't know that there's a problem. Or, maybe there's a setting we don't about.

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Post by meb » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:46 am

Thanks for replying, so soon!
Just to clarify: If I am in the Edit Part screen, I cannot drag or copy/paste from the Guitar to the Tab.

This makes editing cumbersome and hard to see. I tried to find some work-around by looking at the manual and by checking doc options, etc. Nada.

I am completely stumped.
And it doesn't make any sense. Finale is always performing miracles - why not the wine and water version for Guitar and Tab? :)

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. I'll contact Make Music.
Cheers, and happy Thanksgiving.
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Post by meb » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:50 am

Zuill! You are brilliant!
The solution is to open two windows, one in score view, the other in part view. Drag or copy from Score view to the Tab staff in Part view!

Hallelujah! Wine into water after all!
:) :) :)

Thanks, thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving, again.
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Post by zuill » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:03 am

Is the TAB staff hidden in both Page and Scroll View in the Score? If it is still visible in Scroll View, and the 2 staves are adjacent, why not just do the copy/paste in Scroll View? That seems easier than the other approach.

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Post by zuill » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:57 pm

Regarding your original post, you stated you cannot enter notes directly into the TAB staff with Simple Entry. Since I can, I'm wondering what's happening for you. Also, I discovered using the Note Mover Tool, you can copy from the Guitar to the TAB Staff when in the Linked combo part.

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Post by meb » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:34 am

Thanks for your time in trying to solve this problem.
From MIDI via either Simple or Speedy, I can't play a note that pops up as a fret position on the correct string. I would have to drag the number to the correct string and fret. Very slow method.

Note Mover only gets me notes rather than fret number on the correct string. I can't figure out how you got a readable Tab using NM.

I'll send my "problem" to MakeMusic to see if there is a workaround, but at this point, I'm just going to use either the double-window solution, or as you pointed out, work in Scroll View even though that limits my view to maybe 6 mm per screen.

I appreciate your advice.
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Post by zuill » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 am

In MIDI/Audio Menu, Device setup, Tablature MIDI Channels, if the box at the top is checked, that' could be your input problem. Uncheck that box. That is only used if you are inputting from a MIDI controller where each string is set to a different MIDI channel. If you're getting all the notes on string 1, that's due to the setting there.

Also, did you try Scroll or Studio view for copy/paste?

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Post by meb » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:47 am

In MIDI/Audio Menu, Device setup, Tablature MIDI Channels, if the box at the top is checked, that' could be your input problem. Uncheck that box. That is only used if you are inputting from a MIDI controller where each string is set to a different MIDI channel. If you're getting all the notes on string 1, that's due to the setting there.
Perfect. That works! (Would never have thought of that solution.)

Odd. If I dictate Midi ► Simple into tablature, I can drag from tab into guitar. But I can't drag from Guitar to Tab. Go figure.

But as long as I drag from the Guitar in Score to Tab in Part, I can do it.
Not exactly intuitive.
Also, did you try Scroll or Studio view for copy/paste?
Yup. No dice. I keep thinking of more experiments, but none have worked thus far.

Thanks.
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Post by zuill » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:39 pm

I meant Scroll or Studio View in the Score. There, even if the TAB Staff is hidden in Page View, it is not hidden in Scroll or Studio View. That way you don't need the extra linked part. Also, in Scroll View while in the S ore, you can also create a Staff Set with only those 2 staves.

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Post by meb » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:54 am

Scroll or Studio View in the Score. . . .you can also create a Staff Set
Staff Sets -- a whole new tool for me, as I've avoided Scroll view for large ensemble compositions just because it was too hard to see. Staff sets should help a lot with those bigger scores.

It is really kind of you to think of all these creative ways to address the issue.
Many thanks.
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