Secondary beam length

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Misco
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Post by Misco » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:50 am

Hi everybody,

I want to enlarge the length of the secondary beam (in red circle).

Thanks
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Post by Jetcopy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:01 pm

Use Special Tools Beam Extension tool Double click on one of the beam handles. A dialog box will appear allowing you to choose what beam you do or do not want to extend. Select just the 16th beam and drag it into place.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:53 pm

If all broken beams should have the same (longer) length:

Document menu > Document Options > Beams

Set a higher value for
Broken Beam Length
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Post by Misco » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:13 am

Hi guys,

thanks for your replies.

Jetcopy - it was unknown option for me, thanks, but it works properly only where just one extended beam is present (in my case in the first beam for example). When two extended beams are present (eighth and sixteenth) your solution doesn´t work properly, try it.

Peter - I knew about this option. I want to extend only this particular beam.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:45 pm

Misco,

We do not know the layout you need.
Hence it is difficult to help you.
An attached graphic (perhaps a scanning of the original manuscript) might help us understand.

One of the questions is:
- How long should the “beam stub” be?

Take a look at the two attached files (Finale document & graphic).

Does this beam stub have the right length?
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Post by motet » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:38 pm

Peter has turned on the option "extend beams over rests." I don't see how to do it otherwise.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:26 pm

I suspect that {Extend Beams Over Rests} is also turned on in Misco’s Finale document.
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Post by motet » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:57 pm

I'm not sure why he or she is having a problem, then.

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Post by zuill » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:14 pm

Most users don't know how to do the Voice 2 trick.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:21 pm

motet wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:57 pm
I'm not sure why he or she is having a problem, then.
If I understand Misco correctly, the problem is not with the 8th note beam (the primary beam), but rather with the 16th note broken beam (the secondary beam), or the “beam stub” as I called it.

Misco needs this particular broken beam (and only that one) to be longer than the other broken beams.

We do not (yet) know how long the broken beam should be, exactly.
But obviously Misco does not need it to be as long as the 8th note beam.
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Post by zuill » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:25 pm

This can be done without the document options being set to extending secondary beams over barlines, if one does not want that setting in the rest of the document.

Zuill

P.S.: I basically used Peter's method (V2). However, as an option, for those who don't need the Document Options setting for all Secondary beams, it can be done with an additional note. I put the Key in C to make it easier. When I turn off that option in Document Options, it doesn't allow the flag to beam across the rest. My extra note gives that option. I also muted the V2 notes so playback doesn't bump up the loudness for the 2 notes that have duplicates.
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Post by motet » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:54 pm

Very cool. Thanks for explaining. (I think if you give the user a file with no explanation, they then have a puzzle to solve.)

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