"We're looking for feedback"
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- motet
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I got email from MM with the subject "We're looking for feedback." "Oh good," I thought, "they care what users think." But. All it was was a vote on what to call a few menu items they're obviously adding (File->Share or File->Share Music?). Some feedback.
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Everyone is looking for feedback these days.
"How likely is it that you would recommend our products to others?"
Honestly...
"How likely is it that you would recommend our products to others?"
Honestly...
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I won't participate in anything that has a letter or number or stars rating. If they want my opinion in words, I may share it. But nothing that reduces me to a data point.
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If they really want honest and very valuable feedback about anything "Finale", all they need to do is follow this Forum (not their own). Here they will not only get valuable feedback, but they might even learn things about their product, especially things which are broken and need fixing. That should come before and bells or whistles.
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"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
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Back to the original post: I prefer File > Share Music. It's more clear (ruling out car, flat, wife etc.)
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"Sharing Music" is of course what Smart Music is all about. https://www.finalemusic.com/music-sharing/
So this new feature is likely to be a means of adding your document to your Smart Music account directly.
Of course, like any Tenor, I'm disappointed not to have been asked.
So this new feature is likely to be a means of adding your document to your Smart Music account directly.
Of course, like any Tenor, I'm disappointed not to have been asked.
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IMHO, MM has thrown all its resources in Smart Music right now. They seem little concerned about Finale except how it might interact with Smart Music.
We used Smart Music a while back, years ago, but most of the kids and parents became uninterested in using it so we abandoned it. When the virus struck we began using SM again. The new and improved SM. And, yes it is much better! However, I don't see it continuing when we get back to normal. If that is true MM is making a mistake in developing it to such a degree. At least that is our experience other districts may have different results.
We used Smart Music a while back, years ago, but most of the kids and parents became uninterested in using it so we abandoned it. When the virus struck we began using SM again. The new and improved SM. And, yes it is much better! However, I don't see it continuing when we get back to normal. If that is true MM is making a mistake in developing it to such a degree. At least that is our experience other districts may have different results.
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As far as file or music sharing if I want to share a piece with someone I will send a pdf. I can already do that! It is unlikely I will send the mus file. But if I want to, I can already do that, too.
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IMHO, I don't think MM can fix them. If you could, why wouldn't you? I believe it is either beyond their ability or it will cost too much. One or the other perhaps both.... they might even learn things about their product, especially things which are broken and need fixing.
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I’ll say money. I’m sure that the current ownership is just biding their time until the profit/loss/tax situation makes it more advantageous to get out.
If they wanted to, the code could be fixed or rewritten. But it would cost major bucks. Maybe they need to hire Elbonian hackers...
If they wanted to, the code could be fixed or rewritten. But it would cost major bucks. Maybe they need to hire Elbonian hackers...
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I suspect it got more complicated (expensive) than they expected. And since the people who made those promises are no longer around, the promises aren’t, either.
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I quite agree. I've heard that a benefit of this kind of "sharing" is that the recipient could make changes in your files, "directly". Why now would that be better than simply picking up the phone, or open up Skype, or use the old-fashioned e-mail as I do, and discuss it, before changing it? I simply don't understand. Real viruses don't contaminate through phones or the internet as far as I know.
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"Cloud" sharing of documents is a hot item right now. If that's what MM has planned, there's really no need for Finale to do it. It would invariable do a worse job that the specialists do.
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Once again, they're selling the sizzle, not the steak. I fear it will come around and bite them sometime in the future.
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What Finale you have should always work as well as it does right now. I suppose MM could mess up the registration system and cause all our Finales to stop working.I hope Finale will last as long as I will.
MM isn't a tiny company but it is small. It is worldwide. It is a $10-12 million+ dollar per year and 50 to 60 employees private company. How many are music people and programmers or coders is up for question. Sometimes I think none are!
It still brings me back to the, it costs too much to fix or they truly don't know how. I do believe MM is throwing all its resources into Smart Music and file sharing. This leaves little resources to work on Finale updates let alone fix bugs. My 2 cents and worth every penny.
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They did a great deal of code modification to make file sharing almost impossible. With percussion Maps and Layouts, if you send a file to someone without your Maps (Maps don't save with a file), then you're not having a useful sharing experience. If by sharing they are only referring to SmartMusic, then maybe that is okay. However, I still think they have a long way to go to make sharing a really significant part of the Finale experience.
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"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
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