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Post by mmike » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:12 pm

mystery rest.musx
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in the attached file there is what looks like a half or whole note rest in the marimba staff at the beginning of measure 3 at the bottom in scroll view and, strangely enough, in page view, it appears at measure 4
no matter what I do,I can't get rid of it, for instance I have inserted a measure stack and copied the other information (not the marimba measure in question) to it, deleted the original stack, it still comes back
it's no big problem, but I'm very curious to see if someone can figure this out ...
thanks
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Post by oldmkvi » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:22 pm

You appear to have "Check For Extra Notes", in Simple Entry Options, unchecked.
The only way I know to eliminate that rest is to delete items until it disappears.
Then Check "Check For Extra Notes."
They are Gremlins!


OK, I see that it is already checked.
Seems like it must have been unchecked at some point.

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Post by motet » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:49 pm

It's not an "extra note."

The rest is from the bottom staff of the piano in measure 5. Somehow it got moved both horizontally and vertically. Select that measure with the selection tool and press Backspace to clear it and the stray rest will be deleted and the default rest will reappear. You can then enter a real whole rest and hide it.

If you are doing the cross-staff notation with the Note Mover and the Stem Direction tool, consider using the Cross Staff plug-in. It will take care of the rests for you.
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Post by motet » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:53 pm

oldmkvi wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:22 pm
You appear to have "Check For Extra Notes", in Simple Entry Options, unchecked.
...
OK, I see that it is already checked.
Seems like it must have been unchecked at some point.
By the way, I'm pretty sure "Check for extra notes" is a program setting, not a document setting, so there's no way of telling from a file whether he's checked that option or not.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:03 pm

ha! yes, that was it, I actually deleted things in the lower piano staff, but didn't go as far as measure 5 ....it was all done some time ago, can't remember what method I used for cross-staff, but that was obviously the culprit.
thanks for input!
motet wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:53 pm
I'm pretty sure "Check for extra notes" is a program setting
no, it's a document setting and, as oldmkv said, it was checked
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Post by oldmkvi » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:20 pm

Thanks, and glad you worked it out!

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Post by motet » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:28 pm

I'm pretty sure it's not a document option.
  1. Check the option in your file.
  2. Save and close it.
  3. Create a new default document.
  4. Uncheck the option in the new document.
  5. Close the new document (you don't have to save it).
  6. Open the original saved document in which you checked the option.
  7. Look at the option. It will be unchecked.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:11 pm

yeah, indeed ... weird! beats me
I guess that's something to look out for
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Post by motet » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:13 pm

I think it's as it should be. Either you like that option or you don't.

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