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Post by SuperDave » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:43 pm

My composer friend sent me her composition with which she is having problems. At measure 46 she changed the key from 4 sharps to 5 flats and all the notes after that went too high. She said this happened when she selected playback. Does anyone know what happened and how to get the notes back in the proper position. Changing each note by hand is not an option because this involves over 100 measures. See photo attached.
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Post by Bill Stevens » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:54 pm

When you change the key signature it asks if you want to transpose the music up or down. It looks like the transposition should have been down.

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Post by zuill » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:00 am

Notes that are correct but an octave too high can be fixed after the fact. Just highlight the measure(s) with the Selection Tool and press 8 to drop the notes one octave.

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Post by SuperDave » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:39 am

Bill Stevens wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:54 pm
When you change the key signature it asks if you want to transpose the music up or down. It looks like the transposition should have been down.

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That works if you want to transpose music that is already written but in this case she did the key change and then started to input the notes. It's only after she did a playback that the notes changed.

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Post by SuperDave » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:40 am

zuill wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:00 am
Notes that are correct but an octave too high can be fixed after the fact. Just highlight the measure(s) with the Selection Tool and press 8 to drop the notes one octave.

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I tried to do that with the Mass Edit tool but cannot place the notes in the correct position.

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Post by motet » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:12 am

Select with the MassEdit tool, the pick Transpose from the MassEdit menu.

I've never heard of playback altering pitches.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:18 am

SuperDave wrote:
zuill wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:00 am
Notes that are correct but an octave too high can be fixed after the fact. Just highlight the measure(s) with the Selection Tool and press 8 to drop the notes one octave.

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I tried to do that with the Mass Edit tool but cannot place the notes in the correct position.
Does that mean that the “correct position” is not simply an octave lower?
In that case you need to use the Transposition utility.

Since we do not know the music, we can not tell what transposition is needed, to get the notes in the “correct position”.
SuperDave wrote:… At measure 46 she changed the key from 4 sharps to 5 flats and all the notes after that went too high. She said this happened when she selected playback …
Usually that does not happen when you select playback, but rather when you change the key signature from a minor key to a major key or vice versa.
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Post by motet » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:09 am

His signature says he has Finale 2006. I don't believe the 8 key transposes an octave with that version.

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Post by SuperDave » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:15 pm

motet wrote:
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His signature says he has Finale 2006. I don't believe the 8 key transposes an octave with that version.
I worked with Mass Edit, transpose and I cannot seem to put the notes in the correct position. I tried 1 octave, 1.5, 1.7 etc and none seem to work. I guess I'll have to reposition them by hand.

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Post by motet » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:49 pm

You can transpose by any interval you want. If you need help, post a picture of a few of the pitches you have and the pitches you want, and someone will identify the interval for you.
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Post by SuperDave » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:55 pm

motet wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:49 pm
You can transpose by any interval you want. If you need help, post a picture of a few of the pitches you have and the pitches you want, and someone will identify the interval for you.
Here's what I have.
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Post by motet » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:28 pm

You probably want to select Chromatic, as in my picture.

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Post by SuperDave » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:46 pm

motet wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:28 pm
You probably want to select Chromatic, as in my picture.
I've tried every combination on that list and none worked. Thanks anyway.

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Post by motet » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:52 pm

Good luck.

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Post by SuperDave » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:38 am

motet wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:52 pm
Good luck.
Thanks. I suspect she was messing around with the clef tool after the notes were written. I'm half way through the changes.

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