O/T accent notation question

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O/T accent notation question

Post by Michel R E » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:11 pm

I'd like to know if, generally speaking, string players see a difference between the two types of accents in my enclosed image, or if one is more likely to be seen in string music, while the other used more for other instruments?

I've seen mentions of the difference being the 1st accent is either softer, or louder, than the 2nd. This, of course, isn't terribly helpful, there seems to be nothing definitive.
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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by motet » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:08 pm

I'm not a string player, but I think of the martelato ^ as stronger and heavier than >.

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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by David Ward » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:47 pm

motet wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:08 pm
I'm not a string player, but I think of the martelato ^ as stronger and heavier than >.
Agreed.

On the trombone I was always expected to play ^ more strongly and heavily (very) than > and I have always understood these accents in this way as a composer whatever the instrument.
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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by Epeedad » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:13 pm

My professional violinist(now semi-retired) wife concurs.

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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by bkshepard » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:20 pm

I've always thought of the rooftop accent as also implying a short duration in addition to its harder articulation, at least in jazz articulations. Is that not the case? If so, does the dot under the rooftop imply an even shorter duration?

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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by motet » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:22 pm

Not necessarily short:
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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by David Ward » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:57 pm

Ah yes the Scarpia chords - I suppose there are strings at work too, although we (the trombones) try to make sure they're not heard! (Not really, but we don't hold back.) Anyway, a perfect example of the same accent marking across woodwind, brass and strings all to the same purpose: very loud, strong and heavy.
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Post by motet » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:09 pm

:)
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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by David Ward » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 pm

What edition is that?

Apologies to Michel for hijacking your thread, but I think your question may have been answered.
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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by motet » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:31 pm

My edition! Which only has one trombone (a bass, obviously).

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Re: O/T accent notation question

Post by Michel R E » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:41 am

hey! no apologies necessary for my favourite chord sequence in the entire operatic repertoire!
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