Piano L and R hands

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Post by Hector Pascal » Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:55 am

Hi all,
I have a motor rhythm and I experimented with cross staff notes but it made it harder to read, so I think I'll stay with my original and just put L and R hand indications. After the first bar of it, I'll put "sim.". Do you reckon that using L and R is a satisfactory way of expressing the intended manner of playing, or should I try again with cross staff beaming?

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Also, what do you think about the use of the quaver at semiquaver beat 4? I had used tied semiquavers instead but Finale likes to change them to the quaver when I paste.
And one other thing: As it starts with the L hand, I put it in the bottom staff instead of the top staff. Thoughts?

Cheerio and thanks as always,
Hector.


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Post by Michel R E » Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:33 am

I wouldn't use a treble clef in the lower staff, and would definitely go for cross staff.
The number of ledger lines does not warrant using a treble clef.

this "L/R" thing is more confusing and difficult to read than anything. you've added another "line" to the music than the actual musical notes.
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Post by Hector Pascal » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:02 am

Thank you, Michel, for your advice.
I will re-attempt the cross staff version. My initial cross staff attempt looked like the dog's breakfast!
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Post by David Ward » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:39 am

This sort of thing needs never-ending post-entry adjustment with the Special Tools Note Position and Beam Angle tools (see screenshot). One problem seems to be that Finale is still spacing the cross-stave notes horizontally as though they are still all on one stave. I don't suppose I've got this one right, but at least it's probably legible.

(FYI from a 15 minute setting of ten of Kipling's Epitaphs for the War which I rather manically wrote in four days last week on a sudden whim of my dotage.)
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:11 pm

Another layout solution (alternating stems).
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Post by Hector Pascal » Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:21 pm

Amazing, thank you everyone!
PS: Congratulations, David, on your new magnum opus! I admire your solid work ethic :)
PPS: Peter, thanks for the alternating stems layout, it is excellent and had not occurred to me :)
Cheerio,
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Post by Michel R E » Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:40 pm

Yes, Peter's response is perfect (other than the required hidden whole note rest in the bottom staff :wink: )

Remember that if both hands are playing in one staff, the other must contain no rests. If rests are present in a staff the implication is that the rest of the material is being played by one hand.
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Post by John Ruggero » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:04 pm

Another possibility. I think that preserving the continuous beaming is important for immediate comprehension of the rhythm:
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Or the beam could be centered, as mentioned previously.
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Post by Hector Pascal » Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:28 am

Thanks, John, that is a very elegant option I think!
Many thanks,
Hector.

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