Piano L and R hands
Moderators: Peter Thomsen, miker
-
- Posts: 432
- Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:43 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 26
- Operating System: Mac
Hi all,
I have a motor rhythm and I experimented with cross staff notes but it made it harder to read, so I think I'll stay with my original and just put L and R hand indications. After the first bar of it, I'll put "sim.". Do you reckon that using L and R is a satisfactory way of expressing the intended manner of playing, or should I try again with cross staff beaming?
Also, what do you think about the use of the quaver at semiquaver beat 4? I had used tied semiquavers instead but Finale likes to change them to the quaver when I paste.
And one other thing: As it starts with the L hand, I put it in the bottom staff instead of the top staff. Thoughts?
Cheerio and thanks as always,
Hector.
I have a motor rhythm and I experimented with cross staff notes but it made it harder to read, so I think I'll stay with my original and just put L and R hand indications. After the first bar of it, I'll put "sim.". Do you reckon that using L and R is a satisfactory way of expressing the intended manner of playing, or should I try again with cross staff beaming?
Also, what do you think about the use of the quaver at semiquaver beat 4? I had used tied semiquavers instead but Finale likes to change them to the quaver when I paste.
And one other thing: As it starts with the L hand, I put it in the bottom staff instead of the top staff. Thoughts?
Cheerio and thanks as always,
Hector.
- Michel R E
- Posts: 702
- Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:16 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 2012, 25, 26
- Operating System: Windows
I wouldn't use a treble clef in the lower staff, and would definitely go for cross staff.
The number of ledger lines does not warrant using a treble clef.
this "L/R" thing is more confusing and difficult to read than anything. you've added another "line" to the music than the actual musical notes.
The number of ledger lines does not warrant using a treble clef.
this "L/R" thing is more confusing and difficult to read than anything. you've added another "line" to the music than the actual musical notes.
User of Finale since version 3.0 on Windows.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
-
- Posts: 432
- Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:43 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 26
- Operating System: Mac
Thank you, Michel, for your advice.
I will re-attempt the cross staff version. My initial cross staff attempt looked like the dog's breakfast!
Cheerio,
HP.
I will re-attempt the cross staff version. My initial cross staff attempt looked like the dog's breakfast!
Cheerio,
HP.
- David Ward
- Posts: 814
- Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:48 pm
- Finale Version: F 25.5 & 26.3
- Operating System: Mac
This sort of thing needs never-ending post-entry adjustment with the Special Tools Note Position and Beam Angle tools (see screenshot). One problem seems to be that Finale is still spacing the cross-stave notes horizontally as though they are still all on one stave. I don't suppose I've got this one right, but at least it's probably legible.
(FYI from a 15 minute setting of ten of Kipling's Epitaphs for the War which I rather manically wrote in four days last week on a sudden whim of my dotage.)
(FYI from a 15 minute setting of ten of Kipling's Epitaphs for the War which I rather manically wrote in four days last week on a sudden whim of my dotage.)
Finale 25.5 & 26.3
Mac 10.13.6 & 10.14.6
Mac 10.13.6 & 10.14.6
- Peter Thomsen
- Posts: 6620
- Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
- Finale Version: Finale v27.4
- Operating System: Mac
-
- Posts: 432
- Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:43 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 26
- Operating System: Mac
Amazing, thank you everyone!
PS: Congratulations, David, on your new magnum opus! I admire your solid work ethic
PPS: Peter, thanks for the alternating stems layout, it is excellent and had not occurred to me
Cheerio,
Hector.
PS: Congratulations, David, on your new magnum opus! I admire your solid work ethic
PPS: Peter, thanks for the alternating stems layout, it is excellent and had not occurred to me
Cheerio,
Hector.
- Michel R E
- Posts: 702
- Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:16 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 2012, 25, 26
- Operating System: Windows
Yes, Peter's response is perfect (other than the required hidden whole note rest in the bottom staff )
Remember that if both hands are playing in one staff, the other must contain no rests. If rests are present in a staff the implication is that the rest of the material is being played by one hand.
Remember that if both hands are playing in one staff, the other must contain no rests. If rests are present in a staff the implication is that the rest of the material is being played by one hand.
User of Finale since version 3.0 on Windows.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
- John Ruggero
- Posts: 827
- Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:41 am
- Finale Version: Finale 25.5
- Operating System: Mac
Another possibility. I think that preserving the continuous beaming is important for immediate comprehension of the rhythm:
Or the beam could be centered, as mentioned previously.
Or the beam could be centered, as mentioned previously.
2020 M1 Mac mini (OS 12.6) Finale 25.5, Dorico, Affinity Publisher, SmartScore 64 Pro, JW Plug-ins, TG Tools, Keyboard Maestro
www.cantilenapress.com
"The better the composer, the better the notation."
www.cantilenapress.com
"The better the composer, the better the notation."
-
- Posts: 432
- Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:43 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 26
- Operating System: Mac
Thanks, John, that is a very elegant option I think!
Many thanks,
Hector.
Many thanks,
Hector.