"fit measures" setting apparently off

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Post by bj nick » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:15 pm

I use "fit measures" a lot, somehow my setting somewhere got off. In the dialog box at the bottom where it shows the measure #'s, it shows measures now like this:

1:215, instead of just 215 (does this for all bars 1- on.)

And, now it won't let me move bars around freely. Where did I mess up the setting? Thanks!
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Post by N Grossingink » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:07 am

The "1 colon" means there is more than one measure region and those measures are contained in Region1. 2: means region 2, 3: region 3, and so on. Fit Measures should work irregardless of how many regions there are.

When you say you can't move measures around freely, what exactly does that mean? Does it mean that when you highlight a measure and press the up or down arrow the measure doesn't move?

You might want to attach the file here so someone can troubleshoot it.
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Post by motet » Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:29 am

Perhaps he has four identical regions, per another recent question.

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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:57 pm

N Grossingink wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:07 am
The "1 colon" means there is more than one measure region and those measures are contained in Region1. 2: means region 2, 3: region 3, and so on. Fit Measures should work irregardless of how many regions there are.

My understanding of "regions" (limited at best) is we're talking about selected passages, right? Something like that? I haven't needed to deal with anything related to this before, so I don't know. In any case, whether I have something selected or not, the problem remains the same.
When you say you can't move measures around freely, what exactly does that mean? Does it mean that when you highlight a measure and press the up or down arrow the measure doesn't move?

CORRECT: it won't allow me to move measures.

This is an issue only with this current document; to verify I opened several other files and the "utility -- fit measures" seem to be identical.

You might want to attach the file here so someone can troubleshoot it.
Yeah, I probably should.......
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:04 pm

motet wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:29 am
Perhaps he has four identical regions, per another recent question.
Honestly, I don't know much about "regions" in general, my understanding is that it means "sections you have selected." Am I right? In other words, I selected a measure, or section, or passage; that's a "region?" In this case, the 1:1, 1:3 etc, etc. I'm not selecting anything; I just go to Utilities -- Fit Measures as always, and indicate the bars I want affected.
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Post by motet » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:26 pm

Measure number regions are for numbering measures in your printed music. Likely you need only one.

usermanuals.finalemusic.com/FinaleWin/C ... umbers.htm

I've never used "fit measures." Normally the number of measures per system will vary according to their contents, but I guess there could be situations where you want everything even.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:26 pm

bj nick wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:04 pm
… Honestly, I don't know much about "regions" in general, my understanding is that it means "sections you have selected." Am I right? …
No.

Measure number regions are document specific regions, defined in
Document menu > Edit Measure Number Regions…

In the dialog box Measure Number you can add or delete measure number regions.

An example:
If the Finale document is a multi-movement document, then you need at measure number region for each movement.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:45 pm

Okay, well, it's not a multi-movement work......I'm guessing somehow I messed it up when using "edit measure number regions."

I'm trying to attach a short section of the piece; not the whole piece, as it's quite lengthy. The same issues occur with this section, just as in the whole document. Unfortunately, I'm getting the "File too large: utilities fit measures issue 12-31-21.musx" message. I tried trimming it down, no luck. The section is only 8 short bars long, 8 instruments, nothing fancy.....

Not sure how to proceed.......
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:57 pm

regions.jpg
So I'm guessing this is part of the issue right here......four regions indicated.....no idea how I achieved this.
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Post by miker » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:09 pm

Nick,

In that window, click on Region 4 to select it, and tap the Delete button.
Repeat for regions 3 and 2. That should make it all better.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:21 pm

I wish it were so, but I already tried that and it changes nothing.....the document is now "locked" somehow into 1 or 2 bars per page from beginning to end, which louses up a lot of careful formatting; "utilities-- fit measures" has no effect, can't use up/down arrows to move measures......it's a mess. I save updated copies in multiple locations constantly as a regular practice, so I haven't really lost anything beyond a few recent minor edits, but I really need to figure this out moving forward.
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Post by motet » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:54 pm

For most things, there's no reason to change measure number regions. At some point it looks like you went in and changed 999 to 9999, clicked Add a few times, and changed the font to 1-point italic, which I think we've already discussed. Do you remember why you did those things?

Finale is pretty unforgiving, and gives you enough rope to hang yourself, so best to be careful with features you don't understand. If you want to experiment, that's fine, but use Undo if it doesn't do what you want.

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Post by N Grossingink » Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:04 pm

Try attaching a file that has only 8 measures - delete all of the notes. Turn it into a ZIP Archive.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:13 pm

I have no idea why I "added" anything as far as regions, or changed 999 to 9999......not a clue......inadvertent, I guess. At some point it was mentioned that possibly the measure numbers may have been set so tiny that they didn't show up, so I tried to adjust the font size, but that was misguided on my part. Yeah, I agree w/your advice; generally I do use undo liberally, and also I will sometimes save a different copy of a document to experiment with to avoid damage to the actual document. I should have done that in this case, but it didn't seem at the time like I was trying anything dramatic.....little did I know. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback and will try to be more careful in the future.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:19 pm

N Grossingink wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:04 pm
Try attaching a file that has only 8 measures - delete all of the notes. Turn it into a ZIP Archive.
I don't know how to do that.....but here is the document w/o any notes....will this suffice? Obviously the issues are not the notes, so I guess it still applies....in any case, the "utilities--fit measures" function does not work, and you can see what actions I've taken, so hopefully it could give others some insight into what happened.
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Post by michelp » Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:30 pm

I found that some page breaks have been inserted, which locks each page to 2 measures.
Page Layout tool -> Select the pages, and in the menu : Delete Page Breaks.
Try Fit Music again, it should work. It worked for me.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:22 pm

Wow, sounds great! However, please explain how to carry this out: "Page Layout tool -> Select the pages, and in the menu : Delete Page Breaks." Once I'm in PLT, not sure how to select pages/page breaks.......I probably have the sequence wrong.
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Post by motet » Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:56 pm

Just right-click on the first system where there's a page break. Do it for each one (how many can there be?) You'll see the page break icon in the left margin.

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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:21 pm

motet wrote:
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Just right-click on the first system where there's a page break. Do it for each one (how many can there be?) You'll see the page break icon in the left margin.
Thank you! However......

"How many can there be?" :D Actually, there's one on virtually every measure.....so I started deleting them page by page, by the dozens.....is there by any chance a universal way to delete all of them? And I guess more importantly for my sanity, how on Earth did I put in a setting for page breaks everywhere?? Geez, what a debacle lol.....
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Post by motet » Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:36 pm

"Redefine pages" should get rid of all the page breaks and system locks.

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Post by mmike » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:46 pm

Selection Tool > Ctrl-A (select all) > Edit > Clear Selected Items > None > select Page Breaks > OK
That seems to do delete all page breaks at once.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:52 pm

YES! Don't know why I didn't think of that....all page breaks gone, everything back to normal, 2021 will end with a normal score again. Now....I'd just like to understand how I somehow set Finale to throw in all those page breaks??
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Post by N Grossingink » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:30 pm

My suggestion - Do Not Use Page Breaks. Why? It's just too easy to forget about them and have your workflow loused up, as in this latest case. You don't need them anyway if your approach to page layout is efficient. You'll build the proper page breaks with an efficient approach to layout.
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Post by bj nick » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:43 pm

I totally agree with you, I've never used them at all. But somehow, I wound up with a document full of them, so evidently some setting I used somewhere caused all of them, I sure like to know what it was. Regardless, I do know what to do about it now which is great. I appreciate all the helpful responses.
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