Speedy Entry '=' too far away in windows

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Post by Tobiah » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:54 pm

I always thought it was poor design, but I recently noticed that
on a mac, there is an equal sign (for tying notes) right on the
number pad. In windows it's far away on the regular keyboard
which really interrupts my flow using speedy entry.

I will probably never use the '1' key on the num pad. Can
I redefine that to be '='? I tried creating a Finale Script, but
it forces me to use Ctrl, or Alt in the new shortcut which defeats
the purpose.

Anyone have a clever way of tying notes in Speedy without moving
the hand from the num pad?


Thanks!


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Post by mmike » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:25 pm

You can program any key for that function with TG Tools Menu Shortcuts (I've used both the Zero and/or the T). There exists also a JW Tie Notes Plug-in that you can then assign to any key.
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Post by michelp » Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:34 pm

Use the T (for tie) key. It is already programmed to produce the same effet as =.
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Post by Tobiah » Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:59 pm

michelp wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:34 pm
Use the T (for tie) key. It is already programmed to produce the same effet as =.
But that is farther away from the num pad then the '='.

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Post by michelp » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:19 pm

I would suggest to follow mmike's advice.
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Post by Tobiah » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:37 pm

mmike wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:25 pm
You can program any key for that function with TG Tools Menu Shortcuts (I've used both the Zero and/or the T). There exists also a JW Tie Notes Plug-in that you can then assign to any key.
I was able to do a menu shortcut, but it behaved strangely. Each time
I'd hit the num pad 1 (the key I assigned) I'd see a tie appear and disappear
immediately as though I'd hit the key twice.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:12 pm

Yes, I have also experienced that now since I have upgraded to Finale 27.1 and Windows 10. I used to be able to do that, and in the past it was also possible to re-program the Speedy key functions. Now they seem to be locked and zero or 1 already have a function attached to them, so the TG Tools shortcut doesn't work. Just use the T key that's already prgramed to tie or un-tie.
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Post by motet » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:01 pm

The following works on my system (Finale 2014.5, Windows 10, US Keyboard):
  1. Close Finale.
  2. Find your finale.ini file. It should be something like C:\Users\Tobiah\AppData\Roaming\MakeMusic\Finale 27\finale.ini.
  3. Make a copy of it for backup.
  4. Open it in a text editor.
  5. Look for a line that begins SK0XX=65633, where XX is some number (on my system, it's SK075). SK stands for Speedy Key, and 65633 is the code for Number Pad 1.
  6. Replace this line with
    SK0XX=65633 0, 0, -1, -1, -1, 25
    retaining whatever XX was (e.g. SK075=...).
  7. Save and quit.
  8. Start Finale.
  9. Disable the TGTools remapping of that key if it's still enabled.
  10. Enter a note in Speedy entry and see if Numpad 1 ties.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:06 pm

Did this, but it doesn't work. 1 still enters a (very short value) note. The hard-wired key for 1 is apparently still in effect. This isn't something that can be disabled in TG Tools. Can it be done somewhere else?
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Post by motet » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:22 pm

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Post by motet » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:31 pm

Should work if NumLock is on or not. It won't work if the Shift or Ctrl key is pressed. Make sure you've really disabled it in TGTools (where the key would show up as "#97"). Make sure there are no other SKXXX=65633 in finale.ini. Make sure you edit finale.ini with finale not running. When you close finale, it overwrites the file sometimes.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:28 pm

These are the references I have in the .ini file. But they both appear many (maybe 8 or 10) times as I scroll down.
SK077=65633
SK078=65633

I have only changed the first two, would I need to change all of them?
It's definitely disabled in TG Tools.
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Post by motet » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:45 pm

If you're willing to post your finale.ini file, I'll take a look at it.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:13 pm

Couldn't upload it, but never mind. Too much time for not much of an effect. I'm happy with T and JW Ties.
Thanks nevertheless.
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Post by motet » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:26 pm

You have to zip it to upload it. If SK077 and SK078 appear more than once, something amiss.

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Post by willpadgett » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:12 am

Did anyone ever find a resolution for this issue? Pressing "=" with my RH is a really big jump and an unbelievable PITA when done hundreds of times in one sitting. Is there really no way to keep your RH on the numpad while composing with Finale for Windows?

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Post by motet » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:30 am

I've got 0 on the numeric pad mapped to "tie to the next note" with the TG Tools lite keyboard remapper.
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Post by mmike » Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:22 pm

Indeed, that works. As a matter fact, in addition to using the NumPad 0 for ties, I also programmed the comma key on the right of 0 to add dots to note values - very convenient in Speedy Entry.
If you don't have the full TG Tools, you can download the TG Tools Free Trial. You can use all functions for a month (also extendable month by month for 5 months), but apparently the Keyboard Remapper function will remain usable without limitations. See https://www.tgtools.com/free.htm
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Post by Zoots » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:11 pm

If none of the software solutions work, and they really should work, you might consider an add-on to your keyboard hardware for music entry.
This one has an equal sign on it (many don't). Shown for example only, I've never used it or any other.

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Post by motet » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:36 pm

mmike wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:22 pm
Indeed, that works. As a matter fact, in addition to using the NumPad 0 for ties, I also programmed the comma key on the right of 0 to add dots to note values - very convenient in Speedy Entry.
If you don't have the full TG Tools, you can download the TG Tools Free Trial. You can use all functions for a month (also extendable month by month for 5 months), but apparently the Keyboard Remapper function will remain usable without limitations. See https://www.tgtools.com/free.htm
I believe the free TG Tools lite "Keyboard remapper" included with Finale will work without downloading the trial version.

My numeric pad has a period, not a comma. Perhaps this is a difference between American and European.

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Post by mmike » Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:11 pm

motet wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:36 pm
I believe the free TG Tools lite "Keyboard remapper" included with Finale will work without downloading the trial version
The Finale built-in version is somewhat limited and, for instance, doesn't include (relevant to this particular question) Speedy in the remapping menu.
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My numeric pad has a period, not a comma. Perhaps this is a difference between American and European.
Yes, I have a European QWERTY keyboard and the numeric pad is slightly different (the European, except UK, decimal separator is a comma, having confused me for years ...).
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Post by motet » Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:23 pm

mmike wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:11 pm
The Finale built-in version is somewhat limited and, for instance, doesn't include (relevant to this particular question) Speedy in the remapping menu.
Ah, I didn't realize that.

There is also a way to map Speedy keys in FINALE.INI. It's pretty arcane, but it works. I'm attaching a document by Jari Williamsson describing it. It refers to something called FinaleTweak, which I suspect no longer exists or works, but it can be accomplished without that.

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Post by Perotinus » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:22 pm

Just a note to let everyone know that FinaleTweak is alive and well and working very nicely on my machine with 27.3. If this ever stopped working, I would probably switch from finale. It's a quick and handy way to modify the speedy keys items in the finale.ini file. Google "FinaleTweak" and you'll find the download.
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Post by motet » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:41 pm

Oh, excellent. Thanks for letting us know.

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Post by mmike » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:41 pm

Perotinus wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:22 pm
Google "FinaleTweak" and you'll find the download.
The download link at http://www.jwmusic.nu/finaletweak.html doesn't work. Can it be found anwhere else?
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