Scrolling through the score with Keyboard Shortcuts

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Post by danielschellmus » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:41 am

Hi
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How to scroll through the score, going from bars to bars, - advancing from one bar, or going next page for instance - without using the mouse and the < an > commands.
I know that in SPEEDY ENTRY you can use the > and < commands, but I would like to do that just in SCROLLING mode.
I am in Score view, CTRL E.
I tried using some commands recommended in the Help, using combinations of CTRL, ALT, > < HOME END... But nothing works...
Thanks for the help
Daniel


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Post by motet » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:11 pm

>score view

Scroll view?

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Post by danielschellmus » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:40 pm

Yes in Scroll View

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Post by mmike » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:32 pm

this has been discussed many times, for instance here: viewtopic.php?t=19117
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Post by motet » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:37 pm

Nothing built in to scroll one measure. If you have an external macro program, you can perhaps teach it to do that. For example, I have mapped Shift+PgDn to Alt+U<Up-arrow><Enter>; Alt+U selects the Measure: box at the bottom of the display and Up-arrow increases the measure number by one. I have an analogous thing for Shift+PgUp, of course. This leaves the mouse position unchanged.

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Post by danielschellmus » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:53 pm

Thank you all
I went to visit the pages you mentioned
Apparently there is no simple command to jump to next measure in Scroll View (exceot complicated MACRO...)
In SCROLL VIEW
MENU: VIEW/Go TO MEASURE has the shortcut CTRL + SHIFT + G
and then type the measure number
That will do it for me

In SPEEDY ENTRY SHIFT+LEFT ARROW

Thank you for the help

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Post by mmike » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:52 pm

MACRO...In SCROLL VIEW
MENU: VIEW/Go TO MEASURE has the shortcut CTRL + SHIFT + G
and then type the measure number
Why do you need a macro? You can just type any measure number plus Enter in the Measure field on the bottom scroll bar
In SPEEDY ENTRY SHIFT+LEFT ARROW
From empty measures you don't need Shift, arrows only will do
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Post by danielschellmus » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:53 am

Hi mmmike
Thank you for your help

"You can just type any measure number plus Enter in the Measure field on the bottom scroll bar"
Yes I know theis, but the problem is that you have to grab the mouse, look at the little Measure Field... When you are busy with the Keyboard, I find CTRL + SHIFT + G more handy.

SPEEDY ENTRY
"From empty measures you don't need Shift, arrows only will do"
You are right, thank you!

However there is no such command in SCROLL VIEW, if the SELECTION TOOL - the arrow on te left- only is used. That is why I use CTRL+SHIFT+G

Thank you for the help

Daniel

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Post by HaraldS » Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:43 pm

I can strongly recommend using a mouse with a "tilt" feature, e.g. with a dedicated tilt button or a mouse wheel with a tilt function. When triggered, it can call a macro with performs the scrolling in Finale. Essentially, the macro is being called with each tilt command from the mouse and triggers a click on Finale's horizontal scroll bar into the appropriate direction.

This has changed working with Finale for me significantly, as I now can scroll through the whole score just using the mouse.
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Post by danielschellmus » Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:58 pm

Oh Sorry,Harald, I just see your reply now...
What do you call a 'TILT' button??
I am very much interested in scrolling through the soce.

I also look for easy commands, possibly shortcuts,to activate the TRANSPORT.
For instance, in CUBASE, you use the SPACE BAR to START or STOP the PLAYBACK. in FINALE i don't know how to do...

THanks for the help

Daniel

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Post by ebiggs1 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:54 pm

How to scroll through the score, going from bars to bars, ...
Daniel,
Perhaps not exactly what you are looking for but there is the "hand" that you can use to go anywhere in your scroll.
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Post by danielschellmus » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:32 am

Sorry but where is the 'hand'?

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:13 pm

danielschellmus wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:32 am
Sorry but where is the 'hand'?
It is the Hand Grabber Tool.
With the Hand Grabber Tool you can freely scroll in all directions.

There is even a keyboard shortcut to the Hand Grabber Tool:
As long as you press the right mouse-button, you are in the Hand Grabber Tool.
When you release the right mouse-button, you will return to the tool you were using.

I admit that this is done with the mouse (not with the computer keyboard; I think that you are asking for a way to avoid the mouse).
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Post by ttw » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:57 pm

I usually cheat by using the <CTL> <arrow> to jump to the first note (or rest) of the same or adjacent measure. It doesn't work on blank measures, but I don't scroll through blanks much. I don't know if this works in Speedy Entry.

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Post by danielschellmus » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:27 pm

Thanks for both answers
#HandTool : THe CTRL Right Click works well in Scroll View
#CTRL Click ARROW : Works well in a bar in Scroll view
#R and L ARROWS work well also


Thanks for the Help

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Post by motet » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:08 pm

PageUp and PageDown.

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Post by danielschellmus » Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:17 pm

Yes right Thanks

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Post by HaraldS » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:49 pm

danielschellmus wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:58 pm
Oh Sorry,Harald, I just see your reply now...
What do you call a 'TILT' button??
I am very much interested in scrolling through the soce.
See https://computer.howstuffworks.com/mouse11.htm .

A tilt button is usually found on gaming mice. I use a Roccat Tyon, but there are more recent products. The tilt function in the mouse's settings is set to send "ALT Arrow Left" or "ALT Arrow Right", depending on the direction in which I move the tilt button. Autohotkey catches those hotkeys and sends a click to Finale's horizontal scroll bar, either left or right with this script:

Code: Select all

; script by Charles Lawrence

#NoEnv  ; Recommended for performance and compatibility with future AutoHotkey releases.
; #Warn  ; Enable warnings to assist with detecting common errors.
SendMode Input  ; Recommended for new scripts due to its superior speed and reliability.
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir%  ; Ensures a consistent starting directory.

#SingleInstance force

!Right::

; get the current x,y coordinates of the upper left corner, the height, and width of the ScrollBar1 control with respect to the current Finale window position and palette configuration
ControlGetPos, xx,yy,ww,hh, ScrollBar1, ahk_class Finale

x := ww-hh/2 ; x coordinate of the middle of the right button relative to the upper left corner of the ScrollBar1 control
y := hh/2 ; y coordinate of the middle of the right button relative to the upper left corner of the ScrollBar1 control

ControlClick, ScrollBar1, ahk_class Finale,,,, X%x% Y%y% ; click on the control coordinates relative to the upper right of the ScrollBar1 control

return
 
!Left::

; get the current x,y coordinates of the upper left corner, the height, and width of the ScrollBar1 control with respect to the current Finale window position and palette configuration
ControlGetPos, xx,yy,ww,hh, ScrollBar1, ahk_class Finale

x := hh/2 ; x coordinate of the middle of the left button relative to the upper left corner of the ScrollBar1 control
y := hh/2 ; y coordinate of the middle of the left button relative to the upper left corner of the ScrollBar1 control

ControlClick, ScrollBar1, ahk_class Finale,,,, X%x% Y%y% ; click on the control coordinates relative to the upper right of the ScrollBar1 control

return
As the mouse also has a wheel which triggers the vertical scroll bar, I can move through the whole score with the mouse but without actually clicking. Has enhanced my Finale workflow significantly.

Another option, if you don't own a mouse with a tilt button would be to use the pitch bend and/or modulation wheels/functions of your MIDI keyboard to scroll in Finale. Alas, receiving MIDI in Autohotkey is a bit tricky.
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Post by danielschellmus » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:02 am

Thanks Harald
I shall look at that

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