Graphic and finale - transparency

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blj
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Post by blj » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:41 pm

Hi Forum,
Is it possible to incorporate graphic / drawings into finale and make the picture (pdf/jpeg) transparent thus being able to write score and merge these two expressions?
I dont know how to upload a screen dump of the intention.

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is it possible to make the importe grafik file/picture transparent, thus being able to see the page beneath with the akkolades?


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Post by motet » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:48 pm

Looks like Finale doesn't respect transparency, alas, even with Finale-created EPS.

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Post by blj » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:51 pm

Hi,
thanks for respons.

Just to be sure.
Meaning that it's not possible ?

yours
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Post by HaraldS » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:48 pm

It _is_ possible, I did a transparent graphic with GIMP and imported it into Finale. See this thread: https://finaleforum.superflexible.net/v ... 345#p29345
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Post by motet » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:25 pm

You're right--it works with PNG but not TIFF (example below). I chose TIFF because it seems to be the lowest common denominator (it's the only graphic format that SmartScore can deal with, for example). I tried Finale-created EPS, too (didn't work). Thanks for the correction!
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Post by motet » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:58 pm

Of those I tried, looks like GIF and PNG work. Perhaps the other formats don't support transparency.
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Post by BuonTempi » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:21 am

EPS should work, if the file has no background.

Make sure you tick the "Allow Transparency" option in the Graphics Export dialog.

I have transparent EPS graphics in Finale. Of course, they cause F26 to crash when I print, but you can't have everything.

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Post by motet » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:04 pm

I tried it with Allow transparency and with Settings/Background/Manuscript texture as both a graphics file and a solid color, and got an opaque background both ways.

I have had problems with EPS, too. You can use PDF instead and get the same vector graphics. (No luck with transparent PDF, either).

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Post by sPretzel » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:19 pm

OP has F27. As you may remember, MM yanked EPS support from F27.
That's unless the OP only meant to incorporate a transparent EPS file into Finale but generate a transparent output format from Finale other than EPS.
However, the OP mentions jpeg as an output format. Jpeg does not support transparency.
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Post by motet » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:26 pm

Looks like GIF or PNG is the way to go.

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Post by bkshepard » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:44 pm

You used to be able to use a transparent EPS file as a graphic, but that's no longer the case. You can make transparent GIF and PNG files, but the GIF usually have a really low quality when printing. I typically use transparent PNG files if I want to insert some sort of graphic into my Finale files.

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Post by motet » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:13 pm

PNG and GIF are both lossless raster graphics, so there should be no difference between the two.

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Post by bkshepard » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:29 pm

motet wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:13 pm
PNG and GIF are both lossless raster graphics, so there should be no difference between the two.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but that has not been my experience with GIF files.

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Post by wessmusic » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:08 pm

motet wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:58 pm
Of those I tried, looks like GIF and PNG work. Perhaps the other formats don't support transparency.
PDF can also be used with a white background:

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...or in a transparent version:

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The problem is that when imported into Finale then the program interprets it as grayscale image and turns it into a raster. This makes the vector format of the PDF completely meaningless.

Here is a comparison screenshot of the Finale working file along with the same and overlaid transparent PDF-clone.

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Post by blj » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:26 pm

Hi Guyes,

All of you, thanks for the thorough desciption!

Super support.
yours
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