My system won't move up

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Post by tanyaviola » Tue May 10, 2022 6:32 pm

I am working on a full orchestra score and most pages are fine when I try to 'even' up all the tops of the systems. But...occasionally there is a page where it refuses to be dragged up (staff-drag). I have unlocked systems, moved things via page layout....just trying to figure it out. Nothing. Argh. Any ideas?

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T.
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Post by David Ward » Tue May 10, 2022 7:05 pm

Without seeing the file the only guess I can make is that it is to do with either ‘System Margins’ (top or bottom) or ‘Distance Between Systems’ both of which can be edited via the Page Layout menu.

I expect somebody here may have some other ideas if you've already done that.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed May 11, 2022 4:37 am

tanyaviola,

Could you attach here a (small) Finale sample document with the problem?
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Post by tanyaviola » Wed May 11, 2022 1:53 pm

I was able to 'fix' it (not really) by dragging all of the other ones down to where the problem one was. But I'd really rather actually fix it. Now the other 3 movements will have to be dragged down as well.

I'm attaching a screenshot. The page on the right is the one with the problem. It won't drag up anymore. I wanted it to match the page on the left.

I'm not sure the screenshot helps but...

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T.
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Post by mmike » Wed May 11, 2022 2:50 pm

instead of trying to drag systems, check your page margins so that they are the same on top of all pages
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and also check your system margins so that the ones on the top of pages are also the same
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Post by motet » Wed May 11, 2022 3:17 pm

My guess is the system top margin rather than the page margins. Try dragging this handle down, or use the dialog to make all system top margins the same (you may want the first page to be different).
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Post by tanyaviola » Sat May 14, 2022 12:43 pm

mmike wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:50 pm
instead of trying to drag systems, check your page margins so that they are the same on top of all pages
page margins.jpg
and also check your system margins so that the ones on the top of pages are also the same
I checked...page margins should all be the same. Still won't budge.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat May 14, 2022 1:14 pm

tanyaviola,

Could you attach here a (small) Finale sample document with the problem?

Rather than looking at screen shots, examining the actual Finale document might be what we need to find the culprit.
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Post by tanyaviola » Sat May 14, 2022 5:16 pm

How do I just take a few pages out of my finale document and save as finale document? I'd rather not post the entire piece here.

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T.
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Post by motet » Sat May 14, 2022 5:25 pm

Did you try my suggestion above with respect to the system (not page) margin?

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Post by miker » Sat May 14, 2022 7:13 pm

tanyaviola wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:16 pm
How do I just take a few pages out of my finale document and save as finale document? I'd rather not post the entire piece here.

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T.
Duplicate the doc, and delete as much as you like, as long as we can see the problem.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat May 14, 2022 7:32 pm

tanyaviola wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:16 pm
How do I just take a few pages out of my finale document and save as finale document? I'd rather not post the entire piece here.

Thanks,
T.
In the Finder, select the Finale document, and hit Command-D to make a duplicate copy of the document.
Then, in the duplicate document, follow Mike Rosen’s advice, and delete as much as you like.

You can safely delete all the notes - since we only need to examine the page margins and system margins.
And you can safely delete all the measures after the “pesky” page.
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Post by tanyaviola » Sun May 15, 2022 2:18 pm

Ok, deleted the notes. Here's the whole thing.

Page 40 and 71 seem to have the dragging up problem. I only really looked at the first half of the piece so later you'll see the systems at various levels as I hadn't tried to adjust them yet.

I now realize (it has been a while since I created an full orchestral score) that I need to hide all the empty staves and that will allow for more systems per page. Oops. I'll work on that now. But I'm still wondering how to fix that pesky problem of the immovable system.

Thanks,
T.

Still trying to figure out how to upload it! It says it's too big of a file. I have been deleting pages and page (it was over 100 pages). Argh. I'll post it when it lets me. Nope. 285 k.....it will not let me upload it. Sorry!
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun May 15, 2022 2:25 pm

You need to reduce the page size to below 250 k.

Deleting items in the selection windows (Articulation Selection, Expression Selection, Shape Selection, Chord Suffix Selection, &c.) will reduce the file size a lot.
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Post by tanyaviola » Sun May 15, 2022 2:37 pm

I actually cleared all items. So there's nothing but measures and instrumentation. If I make the page size smaller, that may fix the problem...or create new ones. I'm trying to use exactly what I have on my computer to show the problem. I guess that's not possible. Well, hopefully when I hide staves, it will clear up the problem anyway!

Thanks anyway,
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Post by motet » Sun May 15, 2022 3:03 pm

Did you try my suggestion above with respect to the system (not page) margin?

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Post by tanyaviola » Sun May 15, 2022 6:33 pm

motet wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 3:03 pm
Did you try my suggestion above with respect to the system (not page) margin?
Yes...no luck. But thanks. I have now hidden all empty staves and will begin at the beginning of the score again, now with several systems per page. Hopefully I won't run into this problem again.

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Post by tanyaviola » Sun May 15, 2022 9:05 pm

Still running into the problem. Margins are all fine and it is only on a couple of pages. Oh well. I will HAVE to figure out a workaround.

Argh.
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Post by tanyaviola » Sun May 15, 2022 9:31 pm

When I checked the 'general' system margins...they looked fine. But when I checked the SPECIFIC system that was the problem...I made the margin much smaller and now it seems to be ok.

So I apologize to the person who told me to check the system margins. Obviously I didn't check the correct margin.

Thank you!
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