Introductory measures instructions don't seem to work..

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Post by onehunkytenor » Wed May 11, 2022 3:37 pm

Greetings from Toronto!

I'm trying to add an introductory measure as outlined here: http://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Fina ... ht=incipit

Many steps but easy enough to follow. Problem is that they don't seem to work.

It would seem that step 9 is the culprit. A new staff system is not begun as expected and thus margin changes in the following steps don't affect the intended system.

Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks :)


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Post by motet » Wed May 11, 2022 3:49 pm

Do you by any chance have multiple measure number regions? If so, try setting Edit/Preferences/View to "Display actual measure numbers" long enough to create your incipit.

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Post by onehunkytenor » Wed May 11, 2022 3:58 pm

Thanks for the reply, Only the one measure number region.

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Post by motet » Wed May 11, 2022 4:13 pm

Give it a try anyway. The instructions work for me.
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Post by miker » Wed May 11, 2022 4:26 pm

You could also do it by creating a Coda system. I think that’s easier.
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Post by onehunkytenor » Wed May 11, 2022 5:35 pm

Intriguing! Could you perhaps point me towards some instructions for what you have in mind?

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Post by onehunkytenor » Wed May 11, 2022 5:42 pm

motet wrote:
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Give it a try anyway. The instructions work for me.
That graphic shows exactly what I was hoping to see on my screen. Will give your suggestion a go and report back.

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Post by motet » Wed May 11, 2022 7:09 pm

If you can't get it to work, Plug-ins/Measures/Create Coda System does indeed seem good. Select measures 2 through the end and then run it. Uncheck all the coda symbol stuff. Afterwards, do the initial steps you were following to change the measure 1 attributes. Adjust the widths in the Page Layout tool.
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Post by miker » Thu May 12, 2022 12:09 am

Actually, you only have to select measure 2, and not to the end.
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Post by motet » Thu May 12, 2022 12:53 am

Thanks. The instructions in the manual he references above have 18 steps!

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Post by bkshepard » Thu May 12, 2022 1:59 am

If what you are trying to do is create incipit types of bars, a completely different way is with Ambitus, a special font designed for creating these sorts of things. You just create a Text object and type in the characters you need.

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Post by onehunkytenor » Fri May 13, 2022 2:56 pm

Thanks for your input, everyone!

After reaching out to Jason Loffredo, creator of (the dispensable) Conquering Finale, he directed me to this video which comprehensively covers the subject of ambitus and incipits: https://youtu.be/iRBI-SrEPdQ

Here's the result I was aiming for and have finally achieved:
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Post by onehunkytenor » Fri May 13, 2022 3:46 pm

bkshepard wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:59 am
If what you are trying to do is create incipit types of bars, a completely different way is with Ambitus, a special font designed for creating these sorts of things. You just create a Text object and type in the characters you need.
Have you actually tried this font? The description states that: "Ambitus works in any word processor or other software that supports ligatures and kerning." -- I have always been dubious of Finale's abilities in this regard. Is my suspicion misplaced? Does this actually work as intended in Finale? If so... WOW!

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Post by bkshepard » Fri May 13, 2022 5:01 pm

It works fine. The issue it has is that many (most) of the characters aren't perfect matches for Finale. Notice the difference in the staff line thickness and the size/shape of the clef.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 13, 2022 5:15 pm

bkshepard wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:01 pm
… The issue it has is that many (most) of the characters aren't perfect matches for Finale …
I would rather say that they aren't perfect matches for Finale’s defaults.

1) The staff-line thickness is a document setting.
You can change the staff-line thickness; you are not forced to use Finale’s default staff-line thickness.

2) The font used for clefs can be changed.
You can change the clef font; you are not forced to use Finale’s default clef font.
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Post by bkshepard » Fri May 13, 2022 5:44 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:15 pm
bkshepard wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:01 pm
… The issue it has is that many (most) of the characters aren't perfect matches for Finale …
I would rather say that they aren't perfect matches for Finale’s defaults.

1) The staff-line thickness is a document setting.
You can change the staff-line thickness; you are not forced to use Finale’s default staff-line thickness.

2) The font used for clefs can be changed.
You can change the clef font; you are not forced to use Finale’s default clef font.
Agreed, I should have clarified that.

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Post by onehunkytenor » Fri May 13, 2022 6:03 pm

So... has anyone worked with the Ambitus font enough to be able to suggest a list of things to change and their associated values in order to get A to match B per the above?

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Post by bkshepard » Fri May 13, 2022 7:14 pm

It's a very new font and I haven't had call to use it yet. Sorry. For $10, it's a pretty cheap download to experiment with.

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