Unable to paste from layer 1 into layer 2

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Post by Tomas E » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:19 pm

I have a staff with Horn 1 and 2.

Horn 1 is the assigned to layer 1 and Horn 2 is assigned to layer 2. They share the same staff.

I select layer 1.

I select Show Active Layer Only.

I select a couple of measures and copy them.

I select layer 2. Now all the selected measures are filled with rests since they are no notes in them.

I choose Paste.

Nothing is pasted, i.e. layer 2 only consists of rests.

The Undo list shows Undo Show Active Layer Only.

Notes and rests are checked in the Edit Filter.
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Post by miker » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:26 pm

Can you post the file? It certainly sounds like you're doing it right!
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Post by motet » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:41 pm

Are you selecting the measures where you want to past before pasting?

See also Edit menu->Move/Copy Layers.

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Post by David_ » Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:59 pm

Are you trying to merge Horn 1 and 2 into the same layer? Maybe @Miker has the answer: https://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=288438
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:31 am

Tomas E wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:19 pm
… I select layer 1.

I select Show Active Layer Only.

I select a couple of measures and copy them.

I select layer 2. Now all the selected measures are filled with rests since they are no notes in them.

I choose Paste …
That method will not work.

You can not paste from one layer to another layer.

You are copying only Layer 1 entries (because of Show Active Layer Only).
This means that the Finale Clipboard contains only Layer 1 - and nothing in Layer 2.

When you paste the contents of the Clipboard, Layer 1 (= the Layer 1 entries) will go into Layer 1 of the target.
And nothing will go into Layer 2 of the target.

Instead you must insert an extra step of moving (or copying) the Layer 1 notes to Layer 2.
As motet has pointed out, this can be done with
Edit menu > Move/Copy Layers…
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Post by Tomas E » Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:20 am

motet wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:41 pm
See also Edit menu->Move/Copy Layers.
Copy layers worked, thanks! However I'm pretty sure that I've used the method in my first post previously. I know for certain that in order to paste something into another layer one must hide the other layer to preserve it.
motet wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:41 pm
Are you selecting the measures where you want to past before pasting?
That doesn't work either.
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Post by N Grossingink » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:18 pm

You can merge layers with the free plugin JW Staff Polyphony. The process is completely automated and a lot easier that trying to do it within Finale.
https://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/dow ... s-plug-ins
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Post by dtoub » Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:51 pm

I was going to suggest the same. Problem is: none of those plugins have been updated in years, some no longer work with recent iterations of the macOS or CPUs, or else crash very readily. I'm deeply concerned about the future of Finale without similar functionality or updated JW Plugins. They've become indispensable and unless and until they're either updated regularly or baked into Finale, the long-term prospects for Finale are dimmer. Just my $0.02.
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Post by miker » Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:18 pm

dtoub wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:51 pm
I was going to suggest the same. Problem is: none of those plugins have been updated in years, some no longer work with recent iterations of the macOS or CPUs, or else crash very readily. I'm deeply concerned about the future of Finale without similar functionality or updated JW Plugins. They've become indispensable and unless and until they're either updated regularly or baked into Finale, the long-term prospects for Finale are dimmer. Just my $0.02.
They seem to work fine on F26, as long as they are the 64-bit version.
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Post by Tomas E » Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:34 pm

N Grossingink wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:18 pm
You can merge layers with the free plugin JW Staff Polyphony. The process is completely automated and a lot easier that trying to do it within Finale.
https://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/dow ... s-plug-ins
Thanks! However that's not what I want in this case. I want to have them separated (stems up and down on the same notes).
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Post by Tomas E » Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:40 pm

dtoub wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:51 pm
I was going to suggest the same. Problem is: none of those plugins have been updated in years, some no longer work with recent iterations of the macOS or CPUs, or else crash very readily. I'm deeply concerned about the future of Finale without similar functionality or updated JW Plugins. They've become indispensable and unless and until they're either updated regularly or baked into Finale, the long-term prospects for Finale are dimmer. Just my $0.02.
Maybe it's not the same problem on Windows.
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Post by dtoub » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:06 pm

miker wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:18 pm
dtoub wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:51 pm
I was going to suggest the same. Problem is: none of those plugins have been updated in years, some no longer work with recent iterations of the macOS or CPUs, or else crash very readily. I'm deeply concerned about the future of Finale without similar functionality or updated JW Plugins. They've become indispensable and unless and until they're either updated regularly or baked into Finale, the long-term prospects for Finale are dimmer. Just my $0.02.
They seem to work fine on F26, as long as they are the 64-bit version.
Mike, most of them work fine or at least somewhat. But as one example, in JW Accidentals, if you change any of the default profiles and hit Save, it crashes. There is no way to use it with anything but the default. Also, some things in JW Change no longer do anything. Most functions do, but some don't. And yes, I've been using the 64-bit versions for as long as they first came out, so for what, 2-3 years now?
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