still puzzled - quantization

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Post by musicus » Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:56 pm

I understand that Finale is not a sequencing program. However, isn't it possible to record in hyper scribe and get the playback the way I played it w/o quantization?


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Post by motet » Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:26 am

You have to be a very precise player (better than me!), but theoretically it's possible.

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Post by musicus » Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:56 am

Theoretically? All I'm saying is I'd like it to play back the way I played it, even with human imperfections.
Is it do-able?
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You have to be a very precise player (better than me!), but theoretically it's possible.

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Post by motet » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:06 am

I think it records the imperfections in the MIDI data and plays them back, but if you're too far off the beat then you might get fractions of 64th notes and that sort of thing. But why not just try it?

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Post by musicus » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:25 am

Of course I'm willing to try. But so far I've only got my playing "corrected" to 64ths, and to me the result sounds unnatural. I happen to like my imperfections. If you can show me how to get it to playback w/o any quantization that would be great. If not, fine. But that might mean that Finale simply can't do it. Since it's not a sequencing program. Like Cubase. But I hated Cubase cause it couldn't do what Finale does.
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I think it records the imperfections in the MIDI data and plays them back, but if you're too far off the beat then you might get fractions of 64th notes and that sort of thing. But why not just try it?

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Post by motet » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:29 am

Well, Finale's goal is notation. You probably don't want your rubato playing notated literally. I thought Finale would play back what you played regardless of quantization. Make sure all these playback things are checked.
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Post by musicus » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:30 pm

I just tried it - indeed it's terrible. It records fractions of 64ths and the result is totally unnatural.I guess I'll have to resort to playing it live on piano. Oh well.
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I think it records the imperfections in the MIDI data and plays them back, but if you're too far off the beat then you might get fractions of 64th notes and that sort of thing. But why not just try it?

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Post by Zoots » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:39 pm

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve. If you want to have something to listen to your handiwork then hook up the keyboard to Audacity and record it.
I'm not surprised at your result with Finale - most people want to try and fix up their imperfect timing with quantization so the notation isn't a dog's breakfast of various note lengths at various intervals off the beat.
Why not setup Finale to produce a reasonable notation score and then write something like "Very Freely" at the top. Gives you a readable record of your composition and it will get played in the manner you wish to interpret it at the time.
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Post by motet » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:18 pm

I think--but I'm not positive--that if you record with Hyperscribe with quantization set to a reasonable value so you don't get fractions of 64th notes, Finale with nevertheless save your original performance data and play that back, provided the playback options shown above are checked. Why don't you try it?

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Post by musicus » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:42 pm

I did try the playback options you suggested, and I appreciate your suggestion, but the result was awful in my humble opinion.
Whether Finale is saving the original performance data or not, it is simply not playing it back exactly as I played it. My ears are not fooling me. I do not see any playback options in Finale that say, in effect, "no quantization."
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I think--but I'm not positive--that if you record with Hyperscribe with quantization set to a reasonable value so you don't get fractions of 64th notes, Finale with nevertheless save your original performance data and play that back, provided the playback options shown above are checked. Why don't you try it?

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Post by motet » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:23 pm

Again, quantization is for rendering what you play in reasonable music notation, not for playback. You've seen what a mess results if you set it to the smallest possible value, so "no quantization" is likely not what you want.

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