Barline shift in PDF with F27.1

[sPretzel]

Hi,
We discussed at length the issues with export to PDF and F27.1 (Windows) here before. For example:
I am seeing an issue where left and right barlines (at beginning and end of staff) are very slightly offset horizontally. The left barline is shifted to the left and the right barline is shifted to the right. Attached is a picture of the right barline (see corner). I see that when I Print to PDF. I also see it in Export to PDF (which uses Microsoft's PDF producer) but I am not interested in Export to PDF as it has many other problems.
My question is:
-Is there a way to shift the first and last barlines on the staff horizontally? (I forget)
-Is this issue present in F27.3?
Thanks.

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[N Grossingink]

Is this even noticeable on a printout or a PDF viewed at a practical, viewable size?

[sPretzel]

Hi N Grossingink,
No, I doubt it will be visible in print. So from a practical perspective, you're right, it's not going to be an issue. I just don't like to leave these dents in the work if I can help it. Plus, trying to work around them sometimes leads to uncovering something else or learning something new.

[motet]

Are you sure this is a problem with the PDF file rather than how it's rendered with Adobe Acrobat?

[sPretzel]

Motet, I'm pretty sure it's not a rendering issue. But it may be a problem with Acrobat making the PDF as I see the problem but differently in the PDF produced by Microsoft's PDF producer. Going back to the initial questions:
-Is there a way to shift the first and last barlines on the staff horizontally? (I forget)
-Is this issue present in F27.3?

I should add: it may be a problem with F27.1 (perhaps most likely).

[motet]

I don't know of there's a way to shift the first and last barlines, but i doubt it. You might also try CutePDF, which uses GNU Ghostscript to create PDFs and may work better.

[Peter Thomsen]

For what it is worth:

I do not get this problem with PDF files exported from Mac Finale v27.3 (using the Graphics Tool).

All barlines line up perfectly with the staff-lines.

[sPretzel]

Hi Peter,
We had established that exporting to PDF in F27.1 was working better on Mac than on Windows. This is why I resorted to printing to PDF. So if you have Acrobat, perhaps you can try that on Mac and report back. My guess is that you might not have the issue.
It's worse (left bar) in Export to PDF in Windows and I think that could be visible in print. But again, I'm not concerned with Export to PDF.

[Peter Thomsen]

… if you have Acrobat, perhaps you can try that on Mac and report back. My guess is that you might not have the issue …

Indeed I do not see the issue, not in Mac Adobe, and not when “printing” to a PDF file (instead of exporting via the Graphics Tool).

[motet]

You've got to be careful with the term "exporting to PDF." There's the File menu, there's the Graphics menu, there's printing to a virtual printer that makes PDF, there's something you call "Microsoft's PDF producer" (Microsoft Print to PDF?), all different.

[sPretzel]

Motet, if I remember correctly, File>Export>PDF and Graphics>Export Pages were behaving in a similar fashion in F27.1 and both relied on Microsoft Print to PDF. I am printing to PDF in Acrobat, which happens to behave better.
I wonder if Makemusic solved any of the PDF issues in F27.3.
Peter, again, if I remember correctly without going back to the threads here in 2021, Windows had most of the PDF issues with F27.1. So I'm not surprised you don't have the problem on Mac. Thanks for testing it.

[motet]

Motet, if I remember correctly, File>Export>PDF and Graphics>Export Pages were behaving in a similar fashion in F27.1 and both relied on Microsoft Print to PDF.

Unless they changed something, File>Export>PDF and Graphics>Export Pages behave differently and do not use Microsoft Print to PDF. But maybe they did and I missed the announcement.