extend a 16th beam in 12/8

[Andreo Basisto]

Greetings all!

Here’s puzzle for me. In a 12/8 bar, one of the beats is made up of 2 semiquavers, a semiquaver rest, a semiquaver and a quaver. I want the three semiquavers to be beamed together (with the semiquaver rest above the beam) but I cannot extend the semiquaver beam. I’ve tried the usual beam extension tool and have looked in JW Change, but cannot see how to make this change.

Help please!

Andreo Basisto

PS: semiquaver = 16th!

[mmike]

Is this what you want?

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In Speedy Edit put the cursor on the last 16th (the one after the 16th rest) and hit / (backslash)

[Andreo Basisto]

No! I want all those notes to be beamed together with the third note's semiquaver beam going to the left and joining up to the 2nd semiquaver. So basically, all the notes in that dotted crotchet beat to be within the same beam grouping.

Back to the drawing board....

Thanks!

Andreo

[Peter Thomsen]

Document menu > Document Options > Beams

There are two options for extending beams over rests:

Extend Beams Over Rests

Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests

[Andreo Basisto]

Many thanks, Peter!

I didn't think to check in Document options. "Extend secondary beams over rests" was the command I needed!

All sorted now - I'm grateful!

Andreo

[motet]

Unfortunately, "Extend secondary beams over rests" is a global (per file) setting and gives this unattractive (to my eye) result in this situation:

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It may not matter in your piece, but if it does, you can start with the beams broken like this,

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and then the Beam Extension tool will work to join them:

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If you overlap the extended beams, it should be immune to spacing changes.

[Peter Thomsen]

Unfortunately, "Extend secondary beams over rests" is a global (per file) setting and gives this unattractive (to my eye) result in this situation:

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The unattractive result can be fixed via a workaround:

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The 8th rest is a tuplet:
2 Sixteenths in the space of 1 Sixteenth.
Use the plug-in Move Rests to move the tuplet 8th rest down below the bottom of the page.

The 16th rest is in Voice 2.



The big question is:
What solution means less work (via workarounds) ?
- Selected {Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests} ?
or
- De-selected {Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests} ?

[motet]

Ah, thank you. I do remember vaguely a discussion with Zuill involving voice 2. I guess this was it.

[motet]

That thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15117

You presented your duplet solution there. Zuill's different solution was to move the sixteenth rest so as to shorten the beam, hide the rest, then add another sixteenth rest in voice 2. While yours seem more work at first blush, I suspect it's better in the long run as it doesn't involve guessing as to the broken beam length, and doesn't involve horizontal dragging, which can be undone by applying music spacing.

I chimed in with not using "Extend secondary beams over rests" and using the beam extension tool instead.

Of course, the real solution would be for MM not to extend broken beams over rest, which probably nobody would want.

[motet]

Interestingly, the duplet solution results in slightly less space between rest and sixteenth note than notating without "extend beams over secondary rests," even though the time values should be the same.