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Post by motet » Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:10 pm

If the old file had expressions which disappeared when opening in a new version, that is indeed a bug (opening an existing file doesn't involve loading libraries--the expressions are stored in the .mus(x) file).


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Post by Billy May » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:04 pm

ebiggs1 wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:24 pm
Now on to a host of other problems with v27.
This was not a problem or bug. You just didn't know the solution. Something happened to the ".lib" file in your old Print Music file and 27.3 could not use it. What else hopefully they will be as easy to fix?
Thank you. Well, let's see... I have a new project that uses the standard five staves of string sections. I'm using Note Performer with this. It's only eight bars long. After playing through it about five times, it starts to lag; that is, the sections seem to bleed into one another. I have 32 GB memory, and I just trouble shot it, finding no problems. Does the same when reassigned to Aria.

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Post by ebiggs1 » Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:12 pm

No it does not and it shouldn't happen with NP3. Again you probably need to post the file.
My advice is to use Garritan for composing and/or arranging and only use NP3 when you are done.
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Post by ebiggs1 » Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:14 pm

If the old file had expressions which disappeared when opening in a new version, that is indeed a bug...
Perhaps, perhaps not. You can not say that definitively without knowing the life of the old Print Music file. Besides, no matter, simply loading the default.lib fixes it instantly.
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Post by N Grossingink » Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:04 pm

ebiggs1 wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:14 pm
Besides, no matter, simply loading the default.lib fixes it instantly.
It depends what you mean by "fix". If there were expressions entered in the music of the original file and now are missing, loading a library will not get them back. They must be re-entered one by one. That's a serious bug in my book.
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Post by Billy May » Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:46 am

N Grossingink wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:04 pm
ebiggs1 wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:14 pm
Besides, no matter, simply loading the default.lib fixes it instantly.
It depends what you mean by "fix". If there were expressions entered in the music of the original file and now are missing, loading a library will not get them back. They must be re-entered one by one. That's a serious bug in my book.
Oh, I meant they're still in the music. I just have to load library if I want to add more or edit previous. Unfortunately NP4 ignores many items in the library. For example, applying the symbol for a long note doesn't work in NP4. Also, NP4 is playing almost all notes as short pecks. NP4 also ignores swing %. It plays all swing passages as 1930s novelty band staccato dotted eighth /16ths.

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Post by Billy May » Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:51 am

motet wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:01 pm
motet wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:17 am
Make a new document and copy the old document into it and you should be good to go.
Have you tried this? I think it would be easier than all the back and forth here.
I should have thought of that! Thank you, yes, the libraries would be in the new doc. :oops: UPDATE: I copied from Finale 2012. Opened new doc in V27. "Paste" is grayed out. :roll:

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:01 am

Billy May wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:51 am
:oops: UPDATE: I copied from Finale 2012. Opened new doc in V27. "Paste" is grayed out. :roll:
If I understand you correctly, you opened the document in Finale 2012, and copied - right?
Then you switched to Finale v27, created a new document, and tried to paste - right?

Unfortunately the Finale versions do not copy (Finale music notation data) to the Windows Clipboard inside your Windows OS.

Instead, each Finale program has its own {music notation Clipboard}.

When you, in Finale 2012, copied the music, you copied to Finale 2012’s {music notation Clipboard}.

When you, in Finale v27, created a new document, and tried to paste, it did not work because v27’s {music notation Clipboard} was empty.


Instead, do not use Finale 2012 at all.
Open the Finale document in v27, and copy.
In this way the music is copied to v27’s {music notation Clipboard}.
Then, in v27, create a new document, and paste - from v27’s {music notation Clipboard}.
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Post by ebiggs1 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:13 pm

It seems we always have the same "bug" critics when this could be a simple misunderstanding of how Windows and Finale operate.
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Post by motet » Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:18 pm

The original complaint was that in opening an old file, expressions had disappeared. The misunderstanding about copy and paste was in response to a possible solution, not the original problem.

If loading the library fixed everything, why are you now trying to do the copy-and-paste solution, Billy?

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Post by Billy May » Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:19 pm

motet wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:18 pm
The original complaint was that in opening an old file, expressions had disappeared. The misunderstanding about copy and paste was in response to a possible solution, not the original problem.

If loading the library fixed everything, why are you now trying to do the copy-and-paste solution, Billy?
I guess I'm confused. I'm having an issue where NP4 is playing everything staccato and it ignores the swing %. I think someone said copy and paste to fix that. But it doesn't. I've contacted Finale and NP support and even sent files. They are useless, nonresponsive.

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Post by motet » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:57 pm

I guess I misunderstood. I don't know from Note Performer. Good luck.

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Post by Billy May » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:12 pm

motet wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:57 pm
I guess I misunderstood. I don't know from Note Performer. Good luck.
Appreciate it, thanks.

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Post by Billy May » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:13 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:01 am
Billy May wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:51 am
:oops: UPDATE: I copied from Finale 2012. Opened new doc in V27. "Paste" is grayed out. :roll:
If I understand you correctly, you opened the document in Finale 2012, and copied - right?
Then you switched to Finale v27, created a new document, and tried to paste - right?

Unfortunately the Finale versions do not copy (Finale music notation data) to the Windows Clipboard inside your Windows OS.

Instead, each Finale program has its own {music notation Clipboard}.

When you, in Finale 2012, copied the music, you copied to Finale 2012’s {music notation Clipboard}.

When you, in Finale v27, created a new document, and tried to paste, it did not work because v27’s {music notation Clipboard} was empty.


Instead, do not use Finale 2012 at all.
Open the Finale document in v27, and copy.
In this way the music is copied to v27’s {music notation Clipboard}.
Then, in v27, create a new document, and paste - from v27’s {music notation Clipboard}.
Ah, I see, thanks.

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Post by Billy May » Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:19 pm

ebiggs1 wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:19 pm
Yes, small file attached. Thanks again.
Perhaps it would be better for us to see the original file and not one converted to 27.3
OK, here's the file. After four or five times the strings start going out of sync with each other. Thank you.
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test (encrypted) NP.musx
(122.42 KiB) Downloaded 503 times

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Post by ebiggs1 » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:23 pm

Sorry Billy but your file played back perfectly for me. You might supply the entire file exactly as it is on your computer. If you are worried about the forum send it to me in a PM.
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Post by Billy May » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:46 am

ebiggs1 wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:23 pm
Sorry Billy but your file played back perfectly for me. You might supply the entire file exactly as it is on your computer. If you are worried about the forum send it to me in a PM.
Hi, that is the entire file. Just eight bars long. When it started to lax, I didn't write anything further. I have a feeling the problem could be with this PC. Even with 32 GB memory.

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