Double sharp/flat Trills

[juicedelemon]

Hi Forum,

How to enter trills (or even other ornaments/articulations like turns) with double accidentals? In the fonts (maestro and engraver) there are only trills with sharp and flats but no double sharp or flats. Do i need to make a text object and put it above the trill? That is kind of annoying. Is there any better way?

Thanks

[Peter Thomsen]

Welcome to the forum!

No matter how many glyphs are added to a font, there are always users who request another glyph added.

Fortunately Finale has the Shape Designer which is a (small) drawing environment inside Finale.

Thanks to the Shape Designer you can create Shape Articulations (and also Shape Expressions).
You can use shapes (created in the Shape Designer) in place of (missing) font characters.

Take a good look at the attached Finale document.
The trill symbols are created as shape articulations.
Let me know what you think about these trill articulations.


PS
Is playback an issue?

[motet]

I would add the double accidental as an expression (not a text block)

[Bill Stevens]

Another option is to notate the trill-to note as a small note head in parentheses.

::: Bill

[N Grossingink]

Still another option is to see if using the easy to read more common enharmonics is possible. Yeah, I know what the music books say, but even a few experienced musicians will get glitched sightreading this.

[motet]

It's surprising that the SMuFL fonts ("everything you'll ever need in one font, including a 1024th-note rest a bass clef with a '5' on the tail") don't have these.

[juicedelemon]

Is playback an issue?

Thanks for the response. The normal trills are bugged anyway (i think it is because of the grace notes before it). I am not worried about playback.

[BuonTempi]

It's surprising that the SMuFL fonts ("everything you'll ever need in one font, including a 1024th-note rest and a bass clef with a '5' on the tail") don't have these.

As discussed with bracketed accidentals, the SMuFL standard usually leaves combining glyphs together to the notation app itself; though it does 'recommend' some ligatures.

Prior to v27, Finale's trill articulations with accidentals were made up as a Shape, containing two font glyphs. There's no reason why the same procedure couldn't be followed.

[motet]

Thanks for the explanation. Having to use the shape designer is quite a burden for many users, but it sounds like the blame falls on MakeMusic for not providing those double accidentals rather than the font designer.