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extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:12 pm
by musicus
After making several attempts, I am at a complete loss on how to extract
parts on the attached file. I have followed this: "Choose File > Extract Parts. The Extract Parts
dialog box appears. Specify the instruments you want to extract by checking the desired parts (and/or the score)."
I cannot understand the "checking the desired parts" instruction. What am I missing here?? Can you please explain or clarify
how to proceed? See attached. Thanks.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:35 pm
by Bill Stevens
It has been a long time since I extracted parts, preferring linked parts. But I believe before extracting you have to Manage Parts under Document; in other words, define the parts to be extracted.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:30 pm
by Peter Thomsen
The extracted parts are created from the linked parts.
Which means that you can not avoid generating linked parts:
Document menu > Manage Parts…
Today the “standard procedure” is to use linked parts - and very seldom extracted parts.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:33 pm
by musicus
OK - can you explain how to do it?
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:30 pm
The extracted parts are created from the linked parts.
Which means that you can not avoid generating linked parts:
Document menu > Manage Parts…
Today the “standard procedure” is to use linked parts - and very seldom extracted parts.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:12 pm
by Bill Stevens
From the Manual: View the Create parts QuickStart Video or see Parts in Tutorial 7: Formatting your music for a step-by-step tutorial on linked parts.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:45 pm
by musicus
I have followed this suggestion. All good until the last step. The #10 instruction says "Choose Document > Edit Part > Clarinet in Bb." I get the clar. part and save it as "clar." Good. Then, when I open the saved part, I get the score, not the part.
Bill Stevens wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:12 pm
From the Manual: View the Create parts QuickStart Video or see Parts in Tutorial 7: Formatting your music for a step-by-step tutorial on linked parts.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:48 pm
by Peter Thomsen
musicus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:33 pm
OK - can you explain how to do it?
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:30 pm
The extracted parts are created from the linked parts.
Which means that you can not avoid generating linked parts:
Document menu > Manage Parts…
Today the “standard procedure” is to use linked parts - and very seldom extracted parts.
If I understand you correctly, you are asking about, how to create linked parts - right?
1) Document menu > Page Format > Parts…
Edit the settings so that they are, as you need them.
The settings in Page Format for Parts are the default settings for
new systems/pages.
Already existing systems/pages in the linked parts will not be affected.
To update already existing systems/pages in a linked part, use the Page Layout Tool to Redefine Pages.
But this will not be a problem in your current Finale document - since the linked parts have not yet been generated.
2) When you have edited the default formatting for parts, it is time to generate the linked parts:
Document menu > Manage Parts…
If you click the button {Edit Part Definition…}, then the dialog box will expand, and display more options.
You can find info about the dialog box Manage Parts by making a search in the online manual.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:53 pm
by musicus
My original question was how to extract parts from score, or generate parts,
in my understanding they are the same. I don't mean "linked" parts, except if that's
the only way to extract parts.
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:48 pm
musicus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:33 pm
OK - can you explain how to do it?
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:30 pm
The extracted parts are created from the linked parts.
Which means that you can not avoid generating linked parts:
Document menu > Manage Parts…
Today the “standard procedure” is to use linked parts - and very seldom extracted parts.
If I understand you correctly, you are asking about, how to create linked parts - right?
1) Document menu > Page Format > Parts…
Edit the settings so that they are, as you need them.
The settings in Page Format for Parts are the default settings for
new systems/pages.
Already existing systems/pages in the linked parts will not be affected.
To update already existing systems/pages in a linked part, use the Page Layout Tool to Redefine Pages.
But this will not be a problem in your current Finale document - since the linked parts have not yet been generated.
2) When you have edited the default formatting for parts, it is time to generate the linked parts:
Document menu > Manage Parts…
If you click the button {Edit Part Definition…}, then the dialog box will expand, and display more options.
You can find info about the dialog box Manage Parts by making a search in the online manual.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:12 pm
by Bill Stevens
Extract Parts is the old way to do it, which some people still use for various reasons. That creates individual files for each extracted part. The more modern way is Linked Parts which means that if a change is made in the score, it is also made in the part. My recommendation for you would be Linked Parts. If the instructions in the manual or Peter's instructions aren't clear, then let us know what you have done and where you are stumped.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:18 pm
by musicus
Thanks. Now I understand what Linked Parts means. I'll continue to try things out
and will let you know if I'm stumped, which is likely.
Bill Stevens wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:12 pm
Extract Parts is the old way to do it, which some people still use for various reasons. That creates individual files for each extracted part. The more modern way is Linked Parts which means that if a change is made in the score, it is also made in the part. My recommendation for you would be Linked Parts. If the instructions in the manual or Peter's instructions aren't clear, then let us know what you have done and where you are stumped.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:20 pm
by motet
Re: extract parts
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:36 am
by musicus
Re: extract parts
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:52 am
by musicus
I watched the vid (extract parts) and yes he does explain the difference between extract and linked parts. I see the difference. However he never shows exactly how to extract and save a part. I sent him my question and will see if he responds. Thanks.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:18 am
by Bill Stevens
On your piece
Go > Document > Manage Parts > Generate Parts
Now if you do Document > Edit Parts you will see all the linked parts.
The parts may require some tinkering, but they are there.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:06 am
by musicus
Right, but when I save the part, the resulting file is not the part, it is the entire score.
Bill Stevens wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:18 am
On your piece
Go > Document > Manage Parts > Generate Parts
Now if you do Document > Edit Parts you will see all the linked parts.
The parts may require some tinkering, but they are there.
::: Bill
Re: extract parts
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:30 am
by Peter Thomsen
musicus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:06 am
Right, but when I save the part, the resulting file is not the part, it is the entire score …
Yes, the Finale document is both the score and all the individual parts - all in one document.
This fact is a time saver.
You just open one document, and there you have it all.
To work on an individual part, go to
Document menu > Edit Part > …
While you are viewing the part, you can edit the part’s layout (like e. g. the number of measures in each system), and you can use the Graphics Tool to export the finished part as a PDF file.
It is seldom necessary to extract a part.
Re: extract parts
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:13 pm
by Bill Stevens
To add to Peter's explanation, once you have created linked parts you can use opt-cmd-period to quickly cycle through the parts.
opt-cmd-comma cycles backwards and opt-cmd-backslash jumps from the current part to the full score.
::: Bill